Season 2
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Welcome to the Secret Pittsburgh podcast! During the Fall 2024 semester, Dr. Elise Ryan’s course traveled across Pittsburgh to uncover stories of Pittsburgh’s places and people. Over the course of ten episodes, we explore the local legacy of Westinghouse Memorial and Park; the Silver Eye Center for Photography's dynamic, artist-driven galleries; the awe-inspiring works of the University Art Gallery; Kelly Strayhorn Theater's invaluable contributions to the community of East Liberty; and the history of the Maxo Vanka murals inside St. Nicholas Croatian Catholic Church. Join us! Series Thumbnail Image Credit Pittsburgh view from incline © Derek Cashman, used under creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en Trailer Episode Works Cited FrankyBoomer. “Jazz Loop.wav” creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ freesound.org/people/FrankyBoomer/sounds/261100/ Williams, James (publishes under manychefsbroth). “Car—Pulling Away.” creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ freesound.org/people/manychefsbroth/sounds/151876/
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Episode 1
Show Notes
“Silver Eye / Home,” Silver Eye Center for Photography, silvereye.org/. “Arts & Commercial District,” Bloomfield-Garfield Corporation, bloomfield-garfield.org/penn-ave/arts…ial-distrcit/. “Unblurred,” Bloomfield-Garfield Corporation, bloomfield-garfield.org/penn-ave/unblurred/. “Priya Suresh Kambli,” Priya Suresh Kambli, www.priyakambli.com/. “Vivian Poey,” Vivian Poey, www.vivianpoey.com/.
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CASEY Welcome to Secret Pittsburgh! In the past 15 weeks, we’ve traveled across the city, learning the stories of Pittsburgh’s people and places. Join us as we explore Silver Eye Center for Photography. I’m Casey Withers. Let’s go! VISITOR #1 (on site) It’s a four-way pipe fitting with a banana on top with, like, a sewing needle with daisies on... attached to it, on top of a dusty pillow. And it’s called June 16th. CASEY Contemporary photography can be... challenging. Both to create and to interpret. Just like other forms of modern art, contemporary photography asks viewers to leave their expectations at the door, to question the boundaries of the medium, even to engage with ideas or imagery they may find unintelligible. For some, this is all the art form is capable of. But for others, including many in Western Pennsylvania, contemporary photography can serve as a focal point for building a community. In Pittsburgh, no organization has succeeded in this public-facing endeavor quite like Silver Eye Center for Photography. Silver Eye is located in a quaint space, with glass walls wrapping around the corner of Penn Avenue and South Mathilda Street. Visitors walk in to find an open rectangular gallery that continues into a small alcove at the back. A short hallway next to the front desk invites visitors to an intimate reading room lined with programs from past exhibitions and similar material. By the time you hear this episode, the exhibit in the gallery may have changed from the one showcased at the time of recording in late 2024. But no matter when you visit, you will invariably see every white wall in the space adorned with photographs taken, framed, arranged, and described with care. This intentionality is evident from a conversation with Silver Eye staff. LEO I’m Leo Hsu, I’m the Executive Director at Silver Eye Center for Photography. HELEN And I’m Helen Trompeteler, I’m the Deputy Director and Director of Programs at Silver Eye. LEO Broadly, Silver Eye is for the community, in the sense that we are part of the arts community in Pittsburgh. We’re an organization that promotes contemporary photography as a fine art. We welcome all kinds of audiences, but the way through which we perform this mission is by supporting artists. So we are both for the community and for the artists who we try to elevate. CASEY Silver Eye’s public-facing, highly collaborative approach has been present in the institution from the very beginning. In fact, the photography gallery visitors know and love today originated from the collaboration of two distinct organizations. One of these was the Silver Eye Workshops, founded in the late 1970s to bring artists from outside Pittsburgh into the city. The Workshops were vital to widening the space of contemporary photography viewership at a time when few options were available. LEO This is pre-internet, you know like, if you wanted to see somebody’s work you had to go to a gallery where they were... Maybe you see their work in a book and this is a way for people to actually meet. CASEY The other group from which Silver Eye traces its lineage is Blatent Image. “Blatent” intentionally misspelled B-L-A-T-E-N-T. Blatent Image was a collective formed to help art photographers build one another up. Its format didn’t make it any less community-focused than the Workshops. Blatent Image had its own space to display photography, and it showcased both its members’ works and outsiders’ works. LEO At a certain point, these two groups combined to become Blatent Image-Silver Eye, and eventually the “Blatent Image” was dropped and became just Silver Eye. CASEY The unified Silver Eye Center for Photography found itself in a storefront gallery on East Carson Street in the South Side. With this new location in hand, the organization blossomed into a more complex, more holistic home for contemporary photographers. By the late 1990s, Silver Eye even exchanged its volunteer operating structure for a full paid staff. But the South Side presented its own challenges. For all its value as a dining and entertainment powerhouse, East Carson Street couldn't quite satisfy Silver Eye’s need for a tight-knit arts community. The organization required more fertile soil to reach its full potential to share contemporary photography with diverse, curious audiences. And Silver Eye found it on Penn Avenue. In 2017, Silver Eye made yet another relocation to its current home at the meeting point of the Lawrenceville, Bloomfield, and Garfield neighborhoods. A walk through the area quickly reveals why the gallery chose the spot it did. Silver Eye is now a stone’s throw away from visual arts spaces like the Irma Freeman Center for Imagination, dance studios like Level Up, even quirky museums like the Center for PostNatural History. And these organizations don’t just exist on the same street, they’re in active conversation with one another. For instance, most of them open their doors on the first Friday of each month for a public gallery crawl called Unblurred. LEO Between Silver Eye and the Glass Center, there is many, many arts organizations and small arts projects, some studios, some that only open for Unblurred. And you’ll see hundreds of people out walking up and down the street and checking out all these different spaces and seeing what people are doing. I know that a lot of people who come to Silver Eye do see every exhibition, but they come during Unblurred. They don’t really make a separate trip, but I talk to them at Unblurred and they’re very familiar with what happens there. But besides the people who are regulars, that’s also a chance for people who have never been in Silver Eye to come in and see what we’re doing and learn about what we’re doing. CASEY This is part of the magic of Silver Eye. Regulars and newcomers, creators and visitors, contemporary photography’s most devoted fanatics and harshest critics. They’re all welcome at Silver Eye Center for Photography. Of course, the organization has a distinct fanbase, mostly comprised of, as Leo puts it: LEO ...People who are already very keyed in to photography and art. CASEY But still, the public-facing, community-focused, egalitarian ethos of the organization hasn’t changed since the Silver Eye Workshops of the late 1970s. So... what has changed? In many ways, the local public is just ready for Silver Eye in a way it wasn’t at the organization’s inception. Pittsburgh has a rich history of documenting its people, neighborhoods, and culture through photographs – the work of the late Charles “Teenie” Harris comes to mind. But this longstanding tradition didn’t necessarily translate into an understanding of photography within artists’ circles, at least not at first. LEO When Silver Eye began in the late 70s/early 80s, photography was still struggling to be recognized as fine art in some areas. I mean, people have been creating art photography for a long, long time. But... its status was still not, like, entirely accepted in the art world and the museum world. CASEY Since then, public and museological perceptions have shifted in art photography’s favor. A major contributing factor in this change is the democratization of the medium. The rise of digital cameras and smartphones has broadened the niche of contemporary photography well beyond the boundaries from four decades ago. LEO Interestingly, you come here now and it’s like, you know, forty years later, and everybody has a camera in their pocket that can make, you know, technically extraordinary images. CASEY In other words, even though Silver Eye’s core values haven’t changed, the way the public interacts with the gallery has evolved with new technologies. Of course, not every change has to take place on such a macro time scale. In some sense, Silver Eye is in a constant state of flux and adaptation. HELEN I think just to also add to Leo’s comments and discussion of some of our recent projects, I also just want to note that sometimes as a small organization, in order to best serve our audiences you also have to stay nimble and responsive to events as they change. CASEY That was Helen Trompeteler, deputy director and director of programs at Silver Eye Center for Photography. HELEN You know, a lot of our programs are planned very far ahead, but they take new shape and new meaning in response to everyday moments. CASEY Helen provided an illuminating example of one of those “everyday moments”. In November 2024, Silver Eye debuted an exhibition called Passages, featuring the works of artists Priya Suresh Kambli and Vivian Poey. Passages explores personal, political, and matrilineal histories of migration, and it centers lived experience. HELEN We had a workshop planned with Vivian Poey which had been planned for many months in which visitors would be invited to hear from the artist and talk about her work. And then we were due to make paper boats together where people would write on the boats any element of their personal story that they would like to share, whether it was their own story of migration or their family’s story of migration. CASEY As Helen mentions, these activities had been planned months in advance. However, the date of the workshop happened to fall only a few days after the 2024 U.S. presidential election. That reality put Silver Eye in the unexpected position of fostering conversation about not only the immigrant past, but the uncertainties of the immigrant future. HELEN It took on much different meaning than we originally intended it to. You know, we originally intended it to be a space where people could come together and connect and share their personal stories of migration. But the workshop had even more weight and resonance and space for togetherness in a way that we couldn't have foreseen when we planned it. So I just want to note that whilst, as a small non-profit, you know, you make plans for programs and projects and partnerships over a very long time, you always have to have a sensitivity to the very moment that we’re living in and how quickly that can change. CASEY Given the example of the Passages workshop, it’s no wonder why Silver Eye has restructured and relocated itself several times throughout its history. For a small contemporary photography haven like Silver Eye, change is more than a buzzword, it’s a survival tactic --- and perhaps the only way to do justice to its diverse constellation of audiences. Perhaps contemporary photography just isn’t your thing. Perhaps hearing about Silver Eye --- its origins, its community on Penn Avenue, its capacity for change both big and small --- still hasn’t convinced you to take a visit. But if you approach the organization with an open mind, you might surprise yourself. In fact, the creators of Secret Pittsburgh took a trip to Silver Eye with little-to-no prior contemporary photography experience. Here were some of our reactions to the exhibitions there. VISITOR #1 (on site) I told him before it looked like, almost like a movie poster in the way that it’s like, traveling, just taking a picture in the... VISITOR #2 (on site) I could see that being a movie poster. Yeah. I see it. VISITOR #1 (on site) Yeah, I mean, that’s the best way I would put it. I think it’s very warm and like, free, adventure. That’s I how would describe it. VISITOR #3 (on site) And you know, people have their own thoughts about things and when they come to the show, it’s like, different mindset, or like, different moods. VISITOR #1 (on site) That’s true. VISITOR #3 (on site) They might, like, find something that’s meaningful to them. Even though, like, most of the time you see this stuff, it’s like... abstract. And yeah, I think that’s why you see them, like, being very confusing sometimes. But that’s because they’re trying to evoke what people... like, their different ideas. VISITOR #4 (on site) The one that’s the photograph interlayed with the glass and it has that dual perspective on it with the, kind of like, forefront of the frame being a closeup of part of the... it seems like part of the same photograph, or at least part of the same landscape. And I think that one is just so visually interesting and intriguing. I think, just like, looking at it, the more you look at it the more details you start to notice about it. I think that one is beautiful. CASEY (on site) So that second one with the blue background and the two people in the white pants. I was really intrigued because I noticed that it was like... You don’t just see the part where they’re standing on the blue, you see what looks like a bedroom around it. So you’re not looking just at... It almost feels like you’re looking... The picture is of the process of taking a picture and you’re looking behind the scenes a little bit. And I was like, wondering what the inspiration was behind it. CASEY You can hear in our voices that the photographs have sparked our curiosity. You can hear that we’re critically engaging with what we’re seeing. Contemporary photography can be challenging. But the challenge is worth it. And Silver Eye’s efforts over the last 45 years to share modern art with the public of Pittsburgh are worth it too. LEO And so the question is, you know, what does it mean to engage with photography in this kind of... it’s a critical way and it’s also a way that is really open to its expressive possibilities and its authorial possibilities. You know, in a time when it’s very, very easy to make a picture, we’re still really excited about calling it the Silver Eye Center for Photography because the idea of photography has opened up in so many ways. And we see artists using this idea of what is photographic in so many different ways, in so many different directions, and each coming from this real, personal desire to answer their own questions. And not only is photography a means to do that, but photography is a means to... or their work is a means to kind of explore what photography could be. CASEY Thank you for joining us as we uncovered one story of Silver Eye Center for Photography. We hope you are inspired to visit this place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all the episodes we’ve produced this season. You can find show notes and a transcript on the Secret Pittsburgh website. I’m Casey Withers. I wrote this episode, Josh Small and Ben Richlin served as audio editors, and Rae Levine-Schenk served as scholar-researcher. See yinz later!
Episode 2
Show Notes
“About.” Silver Eye Center for Photography, silvereye.org/about. “In Absolute Space.” April Friges, aprilfriges.com/ Tara Rack-Amber Calkins Media. “Eye-opening experience: Silver Eye finds new home in artist community.” Timesonline.com, The Beaver County Times, www.timesonline.com/story/entertain…ye/18583921007/. Julian, Kitty, and Clippinger, Annabelle. “Young Audiences and the Arts.” The Heinz Endowments. Google Scholar, www.studentaffairs.pitt.edu/sites/defau…_report.pdf
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Speaker 1: Casey Withers – 0:01 Welcome to Secret Pittsburgh. In the past 15 weeks, we've traveled across the city learning the stories of Pittsburgh's people and places. Join us as we explore silver Eye Center for photography. I'm Casey Withers. Let's go. I walk through the main gallery of the Silver Eye Center for Photography, bathed in soft ambient light, the walls filled with rows of framed photographs, each image a snapshot of a moment, some joyful, others melancholic, each evoking a sense of time and place. I pause in front of a black and white archival print, captivated by the depth of joy conveyed in a singular second, I turn my attention to another photograph of a fleeting street scene where light and shadow dance across the image. Every photograph feels like a story captured in a fraction of a second. Yet there's so much more beneath the surface, stories that are invisible to the viewer. Behind each image, there is the careful work of photographers who spend hours, or even days, capturing these perfect moments, often battling the unpredictable elements, the rush of fleeting opportunities or the complexity of human emotions. But beyond the moment of the click, there's another world that's hidden on the back end of Silver Eye. Curators carefully handle each print, ensuring the integrity of the images, making sure they're framed with precision. Each one positioned at the perfect angle to catch the light just so the prints themselves painstakingly developed and sometimes painstakingly restored, rest in the archives, stored in temperature-controlled environments, preserving their delicate balance of tones and textures. The printers, technicians, and conservators work tirelessly to maintain the vibrancy and accuracy of the colors, ensuring that the artist's visions are faithfully realized. The Silver Eye staff helped the artists, not only in displaying their work, but also in the curating process. This was evident when we sat down with Silver Eye staff and got a deeper background of the organization and how it functions. Speaker 2: Leo Hsu – 2:24 I'm Leo Hsu. I'm the Executive Director at Silver Eye Center for Photography. Silver Eye’s origins are actually in two organizations. The Silver Eye workshops in the early 1980s was a project by photographers in Pittsburgh, to bring photographers to Pittsburgh, to lead workshops for photographers here, and to, you know, to create connections. This is pre internet, you know, like, if you wanted to see somebody's work, you had to go to a gallery where they were. Maybe you see the work in a book, and this is a way for people to actually meet. So along with the Silver Eye workshops, there was a group called Blatant Image. This was a photographer's collective. This was a number of photographers, art photographers, who were supporting each other, and they had a space in which to show work that I think began mainly as their own work, but then expanded to show other people's work as well. These two groups combined to become Blatant Image Silver Eye, and eventually the Blatant Image was dropped and became just Silver Eye. Silver Eye was located in a storefront gallery on the South Side on East Carson Street. It was operated by volunteers at a volunteer board. Towards the late 90s, it began to have a paid staff, and in 2015 it left the South Side, and in 2017 the current location opened. Speaker 1: Casey Withers – 4:14 Silver Eye is not only a space for the community to come together, but it is also a way for artists to connect and collaborate with one another and to inspire each other. Silver Eye programs are, in the organization's words, “dedicated to supporting the work of emerging mid-career and under recognized artists and sharing that work with diverse audiences in engaging and meaningful ways.” Speaker 2: Leo Hsu – 4:41 Broadly, Silver Eye is for the community in the sense that we are part of the arts community in Pittsburgh. We're an organization that promotes Contemporary Photography as a fine art. We welcome all kinds of audiences, but the way through which we perform this mission is by supporting artists, so we are both for the community and for the artists who we try to elevate. Speaker 1: Casey Withers – 5:15 Silver Eye not only helps to share and promote the work of artists they represent, but it also works to provide unique educational programs and a space for artists to in its own words, “learn, create and connect through their digital lab and Education Center the Lab at Silver Eye.” Speaker 2: Leo Hsu – 5:37 The Lab at Silver Eye is our production facility and Education Center. It's located five blocks away from the main gallery, also on Penn Avenue. We've been in this space for about a year and a half. Previous to that, we had a production facility next door to the gallery, but in this new space, we've been able to expand and have both the production space and an education and meeting space, as well as offices, storage and the Silver Eye library of photo books. The production facility was originally created to produce exhibitions in the gallery. There's a lot of galleries for profit, non profit, where the model of exhibition is that an artist will produce the work for a show, probably frame it, ship it to the place where it's going to be displayed. Perhaps they'll share the cost of shipping with organization, whatever arrangement there is. But in any case, there's a significant burden on the artist to make the work and get the work there. This is a kind of model from pre digital days, when, if you were a photographer and you're printing in your dark room, you know you are the one who has the prints. You printed them yourself, where you have a printer who printed them, and now you need to get this work over to wherever it's going to be shown. With high quality digital printing we're able to produce the exhibitions here, and we have our master printer, Sean Stewart, here, working on the prints, along with Jacob Woodard, an excellent printer, we produce most of the digital printing that you'll see in the gallery. We frame the work here, and this takes a lot of that burden off of an artist. So an artist who is for whatever reason, it could be there early in the career, or it could just be because they don't have the resources, you know, that's not going to prevent them from showing here if they're creating work digitally. Speaker 1: Casey Withers – 7:39 Exactly when and why did the Lab at Silver Eye come about? Speaker 2: Leo Hsu – 7:44 The Lab at Silver Eye was initially created in 2018 shortly after Silver Eye was relocated to Penn Avenue from the South Side. It was to create the exhibitions that were shown in the gallery and to start developing some kind of a membership program for artists who wanted to produce work. It quickly outgrew the space that it was in, and it was one room that, that included the printers, the production table, all the storage that bubble wrap and plastic rules, you know, take up a lot of space, and the library was there as well, as well as a workspace. So, it needed to move for a while, but we had to wait until we found the right place, and we're in now a place that is really perfect for us. Speaker 1: Casey Withers – 8:48 Silver Eye approaches photography with a more expansive perspective, challenging conventional ideas of what Contemporary Photography is and what a photographic image can be. Speaker 3: Helen Trompeteler – 9:01 Helen Trompeteler, I'm the Deputy Director and Director of Programs at Silver Eye. I think in the last couple of years, we've introduced a number of exhibitions that question what a photograph can be and what a photograph can do. A few come to mind specifically an exhibition we did with an artist called April Fridges, called In Absolute Space, where she took a 19th century photographic technique called the tin type, which is one of the earliest forms of photography, which was traditionally used in portraiture. It became an affordable way to make portraits of loved ones, and it's a darkroom technique, and she made tintypes, but instead of using black aluminum, which was common for tin type portraits, she used many different colored aluminums, and then she would melt them into sculptural objects, very three dimensional, physical encounters. So in her installation, the photographs, photographic sculpture objects were coming off of the wall in sculptural shapes. Some works were on the ground, some works were on plinths, and if you walked into that space, in that moment, you might look at those works and think, am I looking at a sculpture? Am I looking at a photograph? What am I looking at? And I think in time, Silver Eye has incorporated artists like that to really think about, what can the medium be? What can it do? Speaker 2: Leo Hsu – 10:41 If you frequent Silver Eye, you'll see, over the course of exhibitions, many different kinds of interventions, along with, I think April Fridges is a great example of someone who is really making work that does not immediately read as photography, but is tied to photography. You'll also see work by artists who are incorporating fabric or sound or writing, or sculpture installations. Sometimes they'll have work in which the photographic part of it, it really is just one element of a larger piece, but the photographic part of it is significant in that it is photographic. However, that artist might be thinking about what photographic means. Additionally, we really embrace this way of thinking about photographs and photography as social practice and social objects. So we recognize that photographs have and at all things that people make, that the meanings around them shift over time and experience, depending on who is, who is looking at them or encountering them? Who's, you know, why they were made? They, they may have a certain weight when they were first made, they may follow some intention of the maker, but they might change over, over, time, especially with long periods of time. And we encounter more and more artists who are working with archival images, who are taking the kinds of pictures that were perhaps they were used to tell one kind of story in the past, or perhaps they were forgotten in the archive, and bringing them forward and telling new stories with them, which are sometimes ways of correcting and sometimes there are ways of offering perspectives that weren't available before or that didn't really have the freedom to speak. Speaker 3: Helen Trompeteler – 12:50 We often work with artists that are trying to sort of defy or challenge our assumptions about the photograph being a printed object within a frame neatly hung on the wall, and think about, how can we sort of push these limitations around our assumptions of what photography can be? Speaker 1: Casey Withers – 13:11 The process of selecting the artists and their works to feature at Silver Eye’s four exhibitions each year is more intricate than it may initially seem. Speaker 3: Helen Trompeteler – 13:21 Firstly, I think the core of our exhibition making is about relationship building with artists over a very long period of time. Leo and I find inspiration from artists and discover artists in numerous ways that's always changing. It might be seeing an artist work in an exhibition, through books that we collect, through listening to artists talk on panel discussions. It may be word of mouth recommendations frequently, an artist that we're already working with might say or you must see the work of so and so. So, so we're always excited to see new work, and over the course of a year, you know, Leo and I will have many different studio visits with artists which start off with the desire just to get to know them better and just to get to understand their work better. We program Silver Eye’s exhibitions a year to two years ahead in terms of how we map out the exhibition schedule and when we're deciding on what work to show. You know we're thinking about the balance of that schedule over an entire year, the themes that might be discussed over a year the different approaches to photography that might be explored through all of these different exhibitions. But at the heart of the question is, how can this opportunity and resource of having a show really push forward that artist's creativity and vision in new ways? How can we be a safe space to experiment for them, to really think about this critical juncture of their practice and how we can help move their practice on in new ways. Speaker 1: Casey Withers – 15:18 As we wrap up our journey through Silver Eye Center for Photography it's clear that this space is much more than a gallery. It's a place where art history and community converge, a place where stories are captured, shared and preserved for generations to come, the thoughtfulness behind each exhibition, the care given to every print, and the unwavering dedication to supporting both emerging and established artists are just a few of the reasons why Silver Eye remains such a vital part of Pittsburgh's cultural landscape. Thank you for joining us as we uncovered one story of Silver Eye Center for Photography. We hope you are inspired to visit this place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all the episodes we've produced this season. You can find show notes and a transcript at the Secret Pittsburgh website. I'm Casey Withers, Josh Small and Ben Richland served as audio editors, and Rae Levine-Schenk wrote and researched this episode. See yinz later.
Episode 3
Show Notes
The organist, Zachary Legas, is playing the Croatian song L’jepa si: vankamurals.org/murals/gift-to-america/ - Link to the program for David Demarest’s play pghshrines.org/history-mission - Talks about what the church means to the congregants, not just the murals vankamurals.org/our-work/conservation/ - Talks about the specific conservation projects that have been done on the church vankamurals.org/about/who-we-are/…-nicholas-church/ - Includes the timeline of specific events pertaining to the church
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Host: Welcome to secret Pittsburgh. In the past 15 weeks, we've traveled across the city learning the stories of Pittsburgh's people and places. Join us as we explore the murals of St Nicholas Croatian Catholic Church. I'm Bella penica. Let's go Situated on a hilltop in the Pittsburgh neighborhood of Millvale. We welcome you through the doors of St Nicholas upon entering this small, unassuming church, first built in 1900 you will be greeted by two dozen murals displayed on just about every surface of the walls and ceiling. While at first glance, these may appear to be just another example of religious icons being depicted in a holy place, it will take no more than a few moments to recognize there is something unusual about these images. The artist of these murals, Maxo Vanka, uses themes of class, war, industry and grief to explore the depth and complexity of the immigrant experience in Pittsburgh. Vanca used an unusually dark palette in his murals to depict scenes of immigrant sons dying for the sake of war and industry their mother's grieving and the ways in which immigrants were treated in the old world of Croatia compared to the new world. These scenes are juxtaposed with imagery of a crucified Jesus Christ and a grieving mother Diane: Marijo kraijice hrvala-moli za nas. Host: This prayer translating to Mary, Mother of Croatia pray for us is inscribed over the altar of the church. It stands as a blessing for the parishioners and in recognition of their Croatian heritage, these murals are a testimony to one of the many cultures which make up the diverse immigrant history of Pittsburgh. Venka uses his art to remark on the expendability of these people and their lives in the name of progress. Maxo Vanka was commissioned in 1937 by Father Albert Zagar of St Nicholas. At this time, it is estimated that there were approximately 50,000 Croatian immigrants in the Pittsburgh region working in mills and mines at the height of the Industrial Revolution, father Zagar hoped to reward his parishioners with meaningful artwork after they tirelessly raised funds to rebuild the church after a fire in 1921. The two bonded over their shared Eastern European heritage and distaste for war and industry's toll on fellow immigrants, the pair hoped to decorate the walls of the church with these messages, and they did just that. To learn more about the history of these murals their cultural significance here in Pittsburgh and efforts in place to preserve them, we met with Diane Novosel, lifelong parishioner of St Nicholas and docent and founder of the society to preserve the Millvale murals of Maxo Vanka during a tour of the murals. She told us her personal connection to St Nicholas and expressed her concerns for the future of the church. Diane: My name is Diane, and I grew up in this church. This was my family's church. My grandparents church. They were Croatian immigrants. I came to grade school here. We had a at that time was like the mid 50s into the early 60s, and the parish was really probably at its peak. As far as the number of members who were here, we had a grade school. We had a convent with probably eight or 10 nuns. At some point, we had several priests who were serving the congregation as well. And then, of course, over the years, like most small ethnic you know, neighborhood parishes, people started moving away, and a lot of those churches closed. And you know, it's 125 years old in 2025 the church, and that's pretty significant in the life of some of these small churches. Some of them didn't make it that long. And so I think the society to preserve the murals came along just in the nick of time, really, initially, you know, a lot of the people in the church were, didn't trust what we were planning to do. And I think as they saw the writing on the wall in terms of what was happening to Catholic churches like this in neighborhoods, and they realized that, yeah, this could become this could become a restaurant, this could become a beer hall. This could become an art museum. Shouldn't we try to work with this group to keep it open? So actually, you know, I think the spin off from that is the fact that the diocese recognized, you know, we have a number of churches here in this city that are really significant, historically and ethnically significant. So they've, they created a group called the shrines of Pittsburgh. So we are one of them. And I'd like to think we, we were sort of the impetus for all of that. So Saint Nicholas, it's Saint Anthony's that has all of the relics. Us. It's St. Stanislaus in the Strip District on Smallman Street. St Patrick's in the Strip District up on Liberty Avenue. And then Immaculate Heart of Mary the Polish church on Polish Hill. And every one of those churches has some special feature, and interestingly, some ethnic connection to the Pittsburgh of old, you know, so it keeps a lot of history alive. It really does. Host: Parishioners of St Nicholas recognized that their church, with its dwindling congregation, was at risk of becoming a forgotten piece of history itself. The preservation society presented an opportunity to not only save the church but to also save the history of the Croatian immigrant experience written on its very walls. While the sentiment of the murals has faded from conversations of today’s generations, the importance of their stories remains culturally significant stressing the necessity for preservation Diane: My mother always used to say to me, because I would say to her, You sent me to that crazy school, those crazy nuns in that crazy church, these paintings that kept me up at night. And then she said, and now you're saving them? I said, Well, it took a long time if I maybe understood them when I was a kid. Terrifying as they were, yeah, never really talk about them, ever like, no, like people, no, they really didn't. And I believe, and maybe this, I may have explained this before, but I really believed why that wasn't happening was when he painted these, it was to it was to address the immigrants. That was my grandparents, Okay, the next generation was my parents. So they could probably relate to the themes about war and industry and, you know, the coal mines and the steel mills and all that. But by the time the next generation, the second generation American born in that era when I was going to school, was kind of like mid 50s. I think I finished eighth grade in like 62 You know, the wars were over. The depression was over. The mills were the economy was great. The mills were humming. My dad worked all the overtime. He wanted. Life was, life was good, you know, life was good so that this was kind of just like it wasn't, it wasn't relevant. And so it just kind of faded the history this, I always say the old country was old news, you know, it just wasn't as relevant. And so thank God. David Demarest, who was this labor history buff, came in here and said, Whoa, this is a quite a story on the walls here. And sort of like poked the bear enough that we said, oh, we'd really have something we should cherish here, you know. So took a lot of convincing of the parishioners in the early days to say to them, this isn't just any church I know you might not like what's on the walls. It's not pretty. It's not pretty the way people want their churches to be. They didn't like it. The people back then, some of them liked it because they got it. Some of them didn't even today, they say, I don't know what you see in that stuff. It's depressing, it's this, it's that. But I think once we started educating people and explaining it, they they could see how they could see its value, and they could see how important it was to keep their story alive. Host: The society to preserve the Millvale murals of Maxo Vanka is an independent non-profit organization that is not affiliated with the religious denominations of Pittsburgh. Their independence from a religious organization gave them more opportunities to secure funding, and therefore a further reach for restorative efforts. The society formed after popularization of the murals because of a 1982 play written by Carnegie Mellon University Professor David Demarest, which was performed in the church. Demarest had a strong interest in Pittsburgh's industrial history, which is a key element of these murals. He was so captivated by the murals that he was inspired to write a play about them and how they came to be Diane: That after even going to school here for eight years, coming to church here, long after that,they never talked about the murals back then, they were just on the walls, but they were never, rarely referenced, never explained, never talked about. So when I saw this, that this play was happening here, I thought, Well, geez, I have to go and see what that's about. And that really told us the whole story of how the murals came to be, which was just like a curtain went up for me. It's like, not only was it the story of of my family, it was the story of the Croatian community, the immigrant community, and the Pittsburgh and immigrant history, you know. So it really, it sort of goes from being very personal to being globally. Relevant because of the play, the CMU drama department lit the murals, which was fabulous, because those of us who had grown up in the church always saw these very dark images on the wall, so you really couldn't appreciate them very much. But when they lit them for the play. Wow. They were dramatic. And so we started this organization, initially to raise money to light the murals. But already the building was close to 100 years old. Water was coming in. Some of the murals were sustaining water damage. And so first things first, you don't relate your house when roofs leaking right. Host: Officially formed in 1990 it took time for the society to establish itself as a successful non-profit organization and begin to raise funds. Over their 30 year history, Diane said that they have been able to do so much more for the church than she could have ever imagined. Restoration efforts began in 2009 starting with repairing the water damage and sealing any leaks in the roof. Today, an all-female group of conservators have been tirelessly working to clean and restore the murals themselves. Once cleaning of one section has been completed, museum quality lighting is installed to illuminate the murals, bringing them back to life. We had the opportunity to see some of these finished murals lit up during our visit. Diane: So anyway, let me turn the lights on for you. Give you your aha moment. Okay, so old world, new world themes, themes of Mother themes, especially of grieving mothers, comparisons of mothers and Mary, the life of Christ, the life of He's showing us the life of immigrants and the life that they had in Europe, which would have been a life serving in the military, going to war as young men, young boys, which was just sort of a given at that time in history and how their lives changed when they came here, but now no longer being victims of war. Mothers are sacrificing their sons in the name of progress, because industry, everybody was working in industry. People were making huge amounts of money. These people were sacrificing their lives and their limbs to make that happen in the name of progress. So this is a very strong labor statement, very strong social justice statement. He's really pointing out who built this country. These were the people. We have an image that is, again, based on a true story, just as the mothers, Croatian mothers raised their sons for war, this one is called immigrant mothers raised their sons for American industry, and he has the title of that right here on the newspaper. So I not so subtle. I'm not so subtle. Hint about what the theme is here. Okay, this also allegedly a true story. We've tried to track it down over the years, but we haven't been. we've had some stories that sound close, but nothing specific. The story supposedly was that a mother lost four sons in a mining explosion. And so we have once the first son here, who is brought up from the mine. He's laid to rest in a very undignified way. On newspaper. We see blood coming out here from under his head, and we see the mothers. She's bereft, she's absolutely consumed with grief. And we see the women, the mothers who were grieving in community in the old world now here, grieving in community again, here in the new world, we see a group of men who are going back into the mine on a rescue mission. The story has it that they didn't there was another explosion, and they were lost their lives as well. And in the background, again, we see very barren landscape, just like we saw these one in Europe. There's no longer now a church on the hill, but sort of a coal mining operation here on the hill, smoke stacks in the background. We certainly hope that this building will stand as it is, as a tribute, not only to the people who were in the congregation, but as the story of immigrants in Pittsburgh so. So here we are. Host: Maxo Vanka’s murals have been a means to bring attention to the church and highlight it as a historical landmark in Pittsburgh. However, the murals themselves have not always held such a strong recognition for memorializing the Croatian immigrant experience, and their perception by parishioners of the church has evolved over time. The congregation has gotten used to the murals and hasn't historically thought anything special of them, however, they feel a sense of accomplishment from maintaining their small Community Church and the Croatian Catholic identity, and this has been managed by the efforts put into preserving these murals. So what does this place mean to you? And I guess also, I'll extend that to people who go to church here or in the community around here? Diane: Well, I think for the people who are have been lifelong parishioners, it's really not about the murals for them, yeah. As I mentioned, they sort of referred to it as the wallpaper, and they said, even at 1.1 of the one of the church ladies said to me, What are you so worried about the wallpaper for? And I said, because in my heart, I know that when we are dead and gone, they're coming to see the wallpaper, and that's why I will save the wallpaper. So for them, this is really about their roots and the fact that their their parents and their grandparents started this church, maintained this church, kept this faith community going, gave them their Catholic, Croatian cultural, you know, fix that sort of gives you your ideas, your sense of identity. I mean, you know, we grew up in Pittsburgh at a time when it was still a very ethnically defined region. Polish people lived here, and the Croatians and Hungarians and or the Lutherans, and, you know, it was very divided in that regard, wasn't the mixed bag that it is. Host: Now, ultimately, the society to protect the Millvale murals of Maxo Vanka is inextricably tied to the church and the other way around, the quaint church, from the outside is, in reality, a beautiful shrine, while to most of the congregation, it is just simply a place of worship, and the murals are just part of the church. It is special for outsiders to see the intricacy and design of these murals, although the beauty may be subjective, the importance of Croatian history and culture shown in the murals make it necessary to maintain. Diane: Used to say, back in our meetings, This isn't, you know, this isn't just, they aren't just paintings. This is your family story. This is my family story, and and it's on. We are the stewards of this. We've been given an art treasure. Doesn't matter if you like it or not. We have inherited an art treasure by anyone's definition. So are we going to take care of it and save it for generations? Are we going to turn our backs on it? So fortunately, people got on board. Yeah, people got on board. But it was a fight. It was a fight. Host: Thank you for joining us as we uncover the story of Maxo Vanka’ murals. We hope you're inspired to visit this place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all of the episodes we produce this season. You can find show notes and a transcript at secretpittsburgh.org. I'm Bella Penica. Linnie Battaglia served as audio editor and Matthew Faberman. Linnie Battagla and myself wrote and researched this episode. See yinz later!
Episode 4
Show Notes
The organist, Zachary Legas, is playing the Croatian song L’jepa si: vankamurals.org/murals/see-the-murals/ - See the Vanka murals and what they represent pghshrines.org/photoalbums/st-nicholas - See the inside of the Church pghshrines.org/maxo-vanka-murals - More information about the murals themselves and a link to even more content.
Transcript
Host: Welcome to Secret Pittsburgh. In the last 15 weeks, we've traveled across the city learning the stories of Pittsburgh's people and places. Join us as we explore St Nicholas Croatian Catholic Church. I'm Bella Penica. Let's go. And the Pittsburgh neighborhood of Millvale lies a small, unassuming Community Church on top of the hill. St Nicholas' exterior is deceiving with its humble brickwork and simple white steeples, it looks like any other neighborhood church. It is not until you enter the church that its uniqueness becomes apparent. As soon as you walk through the doors, you are surrounded by murals from the walls to the ceiling to the under loft, the church is covered in these intense, almost shocking artistic depictions. These murals are unlike traditional artwork found inside of holy and sacred spaces, while traditional Catholic imagery is featured, these murals mean much more to the community. They represent the story of Pittsburgh's Croatian immigrants and their lives during the peak of the Industrial Revolution in Pittsburgh and a time of international unrest, we welcome you through the doors of St Nicholas Croatian Catholic Church. I'm Bella panica with Diane Novosel as our tour guide, and we invite you along with us to explore these idiosyncratic and historical murals painted by Maxo Vanka. Diane: Oh. The church was built in 1900 at that time, estimates approximately about 50,000 Croatians who were in the region, working in the mills, working in the mines, in industry, they did not have their own church, so they were worshiping in a number of different churches. They were then renting a building on the north side of Pittsburgh for a while, and then they petitioned the Diocese of Pittsburgh for permission to build a church, and that was granted. So the cornerstone was laid here for this church in 1900 it was built, and it was built by a local designed by a local Pittsburgh architect whose last name was Bauer. I believe he also designed another Croatian church that was really only about a mile from here, closer to the north side of Pittsburgh. And people say, Well, why were there two Croatian churches so close together? Well, at the turn of the century, a mile and a half apart wasn't really close together. You went to church where you lived and where you worked, and so it was much more community oriented than it is nowadays. But that church had to be demolished. That church did not have murals, as this one does. Host: This church survives today largely because of the murals of Maxo Vanka. Diane: So he was born as a loved child out of wedlock. They believe that his parents were Austro -Hungarian nobility and aristocracy. He did learn of his parents’ true identity at a later time in his life, and he was sworn to secrecy, which he honored, and he took that information to his grave, but all of the information that the family had collected up to that point, they knew that he came from a very, very privileged background. However, the custom in those days for children who were born out of wedlock is that they would be taken to the countryside, to a peasant village. They would be given to a family, a woman who served as a wet nurse, or what we would call today a foster family. He stayed with this particular family for the first eight years of his life. So he was, you know, just as much like my grandparents, he was living in a on a peasant farm without any privilege. But part of the agreement was that every year she would have to clean him up, dress him up, take him into Zagreb, have his photo taken and send it to the family, so that they could assure that he was still doing well. His mother's family decided that it was time to take him from that setting and begin to groom him, begin his formal education, and groom him to be, you know, a young aristocrat, to grow up, to follow in the family style and tradition. So I'm sure that at the turn of the century, that wasn't done very therapeutically. You know, he was probably calm till they came and they took him even as a child. At that point, was then told, forget about this life that you've known for the first most formative years of your life, the first eight years of your life, because now this is your life. So he grew up, really, with this foot in two worlds, one of extreme poverty and one of great privilege. Because he was taken to an estate which was outside of Zagreb. He was raised by a number of caretakers, mostly adults. He was very well educated in the arts, the sciences, languages, and then, as he was in young adulthood, he decided that he wanted to go to art school. He went to art school at the Art Academy in Brussels Belgium, because Croatia did not have an art academy at that point in time, he studied the arts there in Brussels. He did very well. He was well accomplished. He was well liked by his fellow students, the other art students, his friends, he won gold medals for his portrayals of his his own self portrait. And so following that, World War One was still going on again, because of a family connection, he was able to avoid being conscripted into the military and was able to work with the Belgian Red Cross, where he would drive an ambulance, he would go into the fields, and that was the experience that really made him a pacifist. And after the war, he returned to Zagreb. They now had an Arts Academy, and He began teaching there. He did meet his wife, who was touring Europe with her family. And the family was very taken by Maxo and his talents, and they were trying to persuade him to come to New York, because they were very well connected, and we'll make you a famous artist. And he was not interested in doing that, but Margaret, his wife, was smitten, and so she told Maxo that she would be back to see him. And in fact, she did come back, and she pursued him to the point where he finally agreed to marry her. So they married, and they married in Croatia, and they lived in Croatia for several years, until 1934 What was happening in 1934? Things were not good in Europe. Fascism was on the rise. Margaret was an American Jew. His wife and his friend convinced him he did not want to leave Europe, but they convinced him they had to leave. So they did. And then they came, they moved to New York City. So when Maxo came to New York City, he was now living on Park Avenue, I believe, again, a very going from a very sort of average life of an artist, art professor. He was now again, living in the lap of luxury in New York City, and was very taken by what he saw and observed in New York City, which, at the time, all the skyscrapers were being built. You know, it was awesome. But his friend, whose name was Louis Adamic, said to him, this is not representative of what's going on in this country. I visit our people. I visit the immigrant community, and you'll come with me on some road trips, and your eyes will be opened. And so Maxo started going on this series of road trips with his friend Louis Adamic, where he went to all the Mill Towns. He went to the coal mining towns. And he could really see the life that the immigrants were living. And so when the priest said to him, I want you to paint a story of our people, what they left behind in Croatia, and what they came to here, it all came together from Maxo, so here it is on the wall. So, so not only is it just telling the story of the immigrants, a lot of what you'll see here, you'll put it together, is related to his own life, to issues of in his own childhood, his own upbringing, what he saw in the villages, and so that's kind of how it's kind of the back story of how it all came to be. Host: Maxo Vanka’s experience as a peasant child stayed with him throughout his life. When he began painting these murals, he used his history and poverty to connect with the immigrant experience of the Croatian community in which St Nicholas is located. Vanco uses themes of class, war, industry and grief in his murals to explore the depth and complexity of the immigrant population in Pittsburgh. Diane: So when you look at the murals, you know, it's important to realize that they weren't just painted randomly. They were really painted as an installation. And so, you know, we have a slogan here, these walls can talk and there's a conversation going on here. There's a dialog here. However, they are positioned strategically opposite one another. You have point counterpoint. You'll have two dinner scenes, one showing a wealthy individual, the others showing workers. So this is all done purposefully. So he's juxtaposing wealth, he's just juxtaposing class, Old World, new world themes and looking wanting you to, sort of, you know, fill in the blanks and come up with a story. Although when you look at all these paintings, you'll think, did he paint all of these because they're all stylistically. Can be quite different, you know, and it's pretty astounding the way he's able to do that. But he was a classically trained artist and painted in many styles. But if you look at Mary, you'll see that she sort of has this very Byzantine looking face, very large eyes that follow you, slender nose, very full lips. She's seated on a throne in a very typical, iconic style. Her knees are slightly splayed because what she's doing, symbolically, is creating a throne for the child who is standing on her knee, she has her hand pointed in that direction on the child that is for you as a supplicant to know that this is my son who is your salvation. He dresses her in the colors of Croatia, which are also red, white and blue, and He adorns her dress and address of the child with Croatian folk textile design, and above that, in the archway, you'll see words written in Croatian that literally translate to Mary, Queen of Croatia, pray for us. Now, if you know anything about icons or iconic images, especially those of Mary. Mary is really typically portrayed as a very slender, almost bony, emaciated, looking at times, not a very robust or attractive Mary, as we've come to know her in the Western world. This is a very robust Mary, isn't she? I mean, look at the size of her arms, her hands, even her legs, as you can see, that was purposeful, right there. He begins to address the people in this congregation. He wanted to pull them in this was a tribute to them. And so the women in this church, as my grandmother, were hard working women. They were not dainty women who sat and had tea all day. Okay? They were very, very hard working women, either in Europe, where they worked in the fields and tended the family, or here where they often tended. The family ran a boarding home cared for a group of men who might have lived in the home, who worked in the mills or worked in the mines. So he portrays Mary as one of these very hard working women. Host: By 1937 the seeds of war had already been planted. Hitler was entrenched as the German leader Japan committed the atrocity of The Rape of Nanking, and Italy had occupied both Ethiopia and Albania. Europe was becoming increasingly anti-semitic and unsafe. Families were fleeing the continent, and it was an unsettling time. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh steel industry was at its peak in the 1920s and 30s. However, Pittsburgh steel industry began to decline as an industrial leader during the Great Depression. This time of high unemployment and poverty led to Stark ethnic divides, similar to the rest of the world, Pittsburgh's neighborhoods were known to be ethnically divisive, with poles in Polish Hill, Italians in Morningside and African Americans located mainly in the Hill District. Diane: This one behind the side altar of a more traditional crucifixion scene where we have Christ on the cross. We know from the biblical story that there was a horrific earthquake that happened during that time. So we see the temple falling. We see the Roman Centurion who's lanced the side of Christ. We see these disembodied spirits who are now being freed with the crucifixion of Christ, because he was his crucifixion. He came to fulfill a prophecy which was to redeem people. And so here we see people, these disembodied, disembodied spirits who are coming through the earth. And then again, in the rear, we have angels who are collecting droplets of blood, who are weeping. And we have this image of Mary, again, opposite that now we have an image that. Is again, based on a true story, just as the mothers, Croatian mothers raised their sons for war, this one is called immigrant mothers raised their sons for American industry. The story, supposedly, and this may have been one of those stories that he heard when he was traveling around with his friend Louis Adamic, was that a mother lost four sons in a mining explosion, and so we have once the first son here, who was brought up from the mine. He's laid to rest in a very undignified way on newspaper. We see blood coming out here from under his head. When we see the mothers, she's bereft, she's absolutely consumed with grief. And we see the women, the mothers, who were grieving in community in the old world now here, grieving in community again, here in the new world, we see a group of men who were going back into the mine on a rescue mission. The story has it that they didn't, there was another explosion, and they lost their lives as well. And so that completed the 37 session. He did these 11 murals in eight weeks. Imagine it almost, almost you really can't wrap your head around it. You really would almost have had to be here every day and see what he was able to accomplish in a day. So old world, new world themes, themes of mother, themes, especially of grieving mothers, comparisons of mothers and Mary, the life of Christ, the life of He's showing us the life of immigrants and the life that they had in Europe, which would have been a life serving in the military, going to war as young men, young boys, which was just sort of a given At that time in history, and how their lives changed when they came here, but now no longer being victims of war. Mothers are sacrificing their sons in the name of progress because industry, everybody was working in industry. By 1941 fascism had taken over. Croatia, Vanka’s homeland, was overrun and taken over by Nazi collaborators. World War Two was escalating, and the partisan fighting in the former Yugoslavia was horrifying. The United States industrial machine was beginning to supply Great Britain but remained neutral in the war until December. Pittsburgh's industry experienced a temporary boost during wartime. The city once again became the nation's supplier of wartime steel, leading to a large economic uplift. Pittsburgh's industrial economy was once again booming. However, after World War Two, Pittsburgh suffered from industrial decline, poor municipal services, deteriorated housing and infrastructure, and heavy smoke pollution from the decades of contamination by industry leaders. Diane: So Vanka takes a break between 37 and 41. The themes that are portrayed here, they're not very light hearted, and they're not very pleasant. So in 41 things had changed. Now we're in a war again. Host: These 1941 murals explain how the current state of the world had gone from bad to apocalyptic, the death and destruction, hurt Vanka’s soul. Diane: The Fascists were taking over. So he was extremely disturbed by what was going on then. So you'll see an escalation in his messaging as he moves into 41 so in 41 as I mentioned, he did, the window walls under the choir loft and the ceiling above that is an Old Testament theme, which is Moses being handed one of the tablets on a hand, the hand of God with Angels carrying that is the theme of the golden calf. Moses is holding a tablet of the commandment that says, Thou shalt not kill. So again, he's making a statement about war, and he's making a statement about greed and money. In the golden calf, then we have the two vertical images. Well, we have four vertical images in all but these two. So this one is entitled prudence, the one opposite that is called Mati, 1941 why prudence? Of all of the here, he has all these themes of social justice, clearly wanting people to understand that they've been part of this whole system of money and power. Why is he sort of giving them this, this warning to be prudent that was really a sign to the congregation that as immigrants, you should be prudent in. In your thoughts, not only in your thoughts, but specifically in your spoken word, because as an immigrant, first of all, you're speaking with a heavy accent, right? So you will be judged more harshly. So be prudent in your words. Be prudent in your actions. Think before you take action, so that you are not judged more harshly. Host: A consistent theme across the 1941 murals is injustice, which comes in several different ways, from oppressing minorities to the blight of the lower classes. As a pacifist, Vanka simply looked for peace, justice and discipline, but total war breeds the exact opposite. Diane: Now, under the choir loft we have a battlefield scene, but this is really sort of a contemporary crucifixion scene. Look at how it differs from the one painted behind the altar. One painted behind the altar is the more biblical rendition. This one differs in a number of ways, especially the image of Christ, no longer a crown of thorns, but a crown of barbed wire here, no longer being lanced with a spear, but the bayonet of a rifle bullet who bullet wounds on the chest of Christ, lancing the heart of Christ. And we see soldiers, not centurions, but we see more contemporary soldiers on the battlefields of Croatia that Vanka, well, I guess he was in Belgium at the time, but he witnessed the battlefields. He was an ambulance driver, and he said that he purposely painted these two this kind of sickly color of green, because that was what he remembered, in terms of the the color that the dead soldiers would be who had been just decayed, their bodies just decaying. But over here on the opposite panel is Mary, again, a very powerful Mary, wanting to stop the carnage, stop the killing. She's so powerful. She's standing on this body of this dead soldier. She has broken the barrel of this soldier's rifle. Interestingly, the soldier behind her is wearing a religious metal. The soldier who she's who's dead here has a crucifix emerging from his pocket. One of the soldiers on this side has a rosary and a crucifix around his neck. So the image here is really about the soldiers recognizing that in killing one another, they're, they're putting a sword through the heart of Christ. They're really, it's really seen by Christ as killing him and his message. Host: We hope that these murals do more than just highlight the state of the world in 1937 and 1941. They really show how war and injustice bring out the absolute worst in people. The murals are so unsettling because they represent people as cogs in a larger machine. These murals are just as much a commentary on current events as a plea for peace. Thank you for joining us as we uncovered one story of the St Nicholas Croatian Catholic Church. We hope you were inspired to visit this place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all of the episodes we produced this season. You can find show notes and a transcript on secret pittsburgh.org. I'm Bella Penica. Kyle Harwick served as audio editor, and Matthew Faberman and myself wrote and researched this episode. See yinz later.
Episode 5
Show Notes
In this episode of Secret Pittsburgh, we visited Westinghouse Park, a neighborhood park and certified arboretum located in Homewood/Point Breeze. The park sits on what was previously the estate of George Westinghouse. George Westinghouse was a Pittsburgh-based inventor and industrialist, best known for his work with train braking systems, natural gas, and alternating current. We spoke with students and faculty from the University of Pittsburgh who are conducting a geophysical survey of the park in order to construct a complete picture of the debris, structure foundations, and tunnels left underground. We encourage you to visit the park for yourself and check out some of the resources below to learn more! In this episode, we spoke with: Bryan Hanks: www.anthropology.pitt.edu/people/bryan-k-hanks David Bear: www.thewestinghouselegacy.org/board-advisors Emily Eklund: www.anthropology.pitt.edu/people/emily-eklund Westinghouse Park Resources Westinghousepark.org Maintained by the Westinghouse Park 2nd Century Coalition, this site offers blog post style updates on matters relating to Westinghouse Park. You can also find posts sharing the history of the site, including pictures of the original Westinghouse estate. engage.pittsburghpa.gov/westinghouse-park Here you can find a link to the Westinghouse Park Plan and a timeline for its implementation. The Park Plan details proposals for the park going forwards. You can also read testimonials from park visitors or share one of your own. www.treepittsburgh.org/education-inf…nghouse-park/ Tree Pittsburgh provides an arboretum map for the park, detailing the locations of 31 tree species. This resource also includes a virtual tour of the park. George Westinghouse Resources en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Westinghouse We swear Wikipedia is actually a reliable source to learn more about George Westinghouse- it was recently rewritten by members of the Westinghouse Legacy, including David Bear. www.thewestinghouselegacy.org/ The Westinghouse Legacy is a non-profit created to honor George Westinghouse. It is working to gather and make available online various collections of materials related to George Westinghouse. www.heinzhistorycenter.org/research/co…collection/ The Heinz History Center has a George Westinghouse Collection, with items displayed in several exhibits. You can purchase tickets and see an overview of the collection here. Archeology Resource www.comparch.pitt.edu/programs.html The University of Pittsburgh undergraduate students are interns in the Center for Comparative Archeology Gateways Program. The center offers a variety of opportunities to explore archeology for undergraduate students, graduate students, and faculty at the University of Pittsburgh.
Transcript
Ellie (Host) 0:00 Welcome to Secret Pittsburgh. In the past 15 weeks, we've traveled across the city learning the stories of Pittsburgh's people and places. Join us as we explore Westinghouse Park. I'm your host, Ellie. Let's go! Ellie (Host) 0:24 In most ways, Westinghouse Park is your typical neighborhood park. Children play on the playground. Point Breeze and Homewood residents walk their dogs. It's even a certified arboretum. But there's a lot under the ground that goes unseen. We got a glimpse of all that when we visited the park on a particular Sunday this November. Ellie (Host) 0:43 As we approached the park, we saw all of the typical things you would expect to see in the park on a Sunday. On top of all of that, we also saw college students pushing a device resembling a lawnmower. They had set up orange stakes and laid out rope to mark off various rectangular areas within the park. They were pushing the lawnmower-like device within one of these rectangles. The students saw us approaching, and were more than happy to explain what they were up to. Student Interns 1:06 This is GPR, which is ground penetrating radar. We're surveying the land with different tools. So over there, they're doing Earth resistance, and over here, we're doing GPR. And we think that there's, well, we yeah, we really think that there's a building under here. There are old, like, maps of Westinghouse Park, and they show, like, maybe a, what's that called, a greenhouse over here, like a pretty big one. And then we think maybe a garden shed is over here. So we think we're seeing the foundation in the GPR, but we are not sure. Ellie (Host) 1:40 These students are interns working with a University of Pittsburgh Associate Professor of Anthropology Bryan Hanks to conduct a geophysical survey of Westinghouse Park. They explained to us what they're looking at when they get data back from the GPR instrument. Student Interns 1:52 So when we read the raw data as it comes in after we do a pass, like these lines that you see here, it kind of just comes back, like looking like a bunch of waves, and then the way the waves are compacted will show us, show us if there's like a dense piece or something that could be like an anomaly in the ground. We're sort of like looking for hyperbolas, yeah. So like, right now we're seeing kind of like a rectangular shape built with the hyperbolas, but the way the waves stack just kind of shows you, like, what's going on in the ground. Ellie (Host) 2:18 The buildings that the students are referring to were once part of the George Westinghouse estate, Solitude, which, up until 1919, stood where the park is today. George Westinghouse was one of many notable Pittsburgh-based industrialists of his time, founding 61 companies, many of which still exist today. His projects ranged from developing train air brakes, to harnessing natural gas-in his own backyard, to developing an engine that could be powered with alternating current. Unlike his peers, Andrew Carnegie and Henry Clay Frick, Westinghouse was not deemed a robber baron. He was well respected by his employees and believed in fair pay along with humane working conditions. Ellie (Host) 2:57 David Bear is the president of the Westinghouse Legacy, a nonprofit organization whose goal is to advocate for Westinghouse Park and expand the legacy of George Westinghouse. Practically a walking encyclopedia on everything Westinghouse, he shared with us how Westinghouse bought the estate for his wife, Marguerite, who he was initially living with in his parents' house in New York. David Bear 3:18 As he was establishing Westinghouse Air Brake in Allegheny City, she came and they had an apartment in Allegheny City, and you know, it was better than living with his parents, but it wasn't really that great. And on her birthday in April of 1871, he put her in a carriage, and they rode out from Allegheny City all the way out Penn Avenue. They turned left on Hastings Street, and the carriage pulled up at this house, he said, Happy Birthday. And so he bought her this house that she called Solitude, despite the fact that it's 300 feet from the train line. It was Solitude for her because it was her home of her own. Ellie (Host) 4:16 Besides the house proper, the estate included a stable building. Under this, Westinghouse constructed a home laboratory where he could work on his various inventions. A 220 foot underground tunnel connected the house to the lab. David Bear 4:29 The tunnel is still here, and it's open from end to end. Ellie (Host) 4:34 David guided us through our first visit to Westinghouse Park, and pointed out where the tunnel is located underground. David Bear 4:40 There are three vertical air shafts along the length of the tunnel that you know, until the city finally locked them off, you could get into the tunnel that way. But people didn't. Because I think everybody, including myself for years, assumed it was just a sewer. Ellie (Host) 5:00 The location of the tunnel was also identified during the geophysical survey of the park, and incited much discussion among the students. Student Interns 5:08 We found the tunnels. And you can see the tunnels really clearly, and like they knew that they were there. I think David's actually been in them which is cool. Wait, really? Yeah, before they got filled. No, not even, I don't think they're filled yet. Like we could go in there. They're like probably filled with water, I would guess. I would assume they're filled with water. He said there's like bottles, and like some trash in there. That makes sense. They're also like sealed up, like you can't get into it. Ellie (Host) 5:32 David has, in fact, been inside of the tunnel. He shared with us what that experience was like. David Bear 5:37 Well, it's dark. And to get down, I mentioned, you know, you go down through this, these ventilation shafts, and they're basically, you know, they they're like sewer grates, and you have to, and under the each of them, there's been a century of accumulated mulch that's formed as stuff that's blown through. So to go through, you go down but and you have to kind of squiggle your way around a cone of mulch to get down to the floor. But once you're down there, it's, you know, you can walk from end to end and, and I said we, I wasn't doing a close inspection. That's one of the things that will have to happen. But just from my experience, it looks like it's all intact. There's cement floor in there, you know, floor drains that are still functioning. And so there, there are lots of old bottles, but the bottles are 120 years old. So one of the thoughts that we said, well, let's get these bottles, and maybe we can raise some money by you know. So there's lots of possibilities, but it's just a brick lined tunnel eight feet high. You could walk through. If it was lit, you wouldn't have any trepidation. Ellie (Host) 6:54 After George Westinghouse died, Solitude was deeded to Pittsburgh for use as a park. The house was torn down, and a lot of the debris was piled into what was previously the basement. This debris, along with the foundations of the various structures, is still underground, waiting to be rediscovered. Bryan Hanks has played a big part in that rediscovery process. Bryan Hanks 7:15 Well, I knew about a geophysic survey that was done here a few years ago. There's a company over in Murrysville that I have close contacts with, and they had been contracted to come in and actually do some geophysics here. Ellie (Host) 7:29 Geophysics is the science that deals with physical processes occurring within the earth. In the field of archeology, geophysical survey refers to the use of ground based physical sensing devices, such as ground penetrating radar, in order to construct images or maps of what's located underground. Bryan Hanks 7:46 And they had recommended that it could be an interesting project for students in the future, because we do a lot of this kind of pro bono geophysical work at historic sites, just to have an opportunity to train the students. So I knew about it. And then the Westinghouse foundation actually reached out directly to me, because they were interested in, you know, having Pitt get involved in some way. And so then I reached out to the geophysics company and asked if I could see the report, and you know, if we could really improve or build on that, that was kind of the big question. And they did a very, very kind of a rapid assessment of the whole park area, which is two blocks. And so the results were, were good, but not very detailed, because they weren't using grids like this and collecting as many data points within within the grid. Ellie (Host) 8:42 The students and faculty on site have constructed grids, which mark out specific sections of the park that they intend to survey. They will use several types of imaging devices on each grid in order to get a fuller picture of what's happening underground. Student Interns 8:56 So the grid we're surveying right now is a 10 by 10, so 10 meters by 10 meters, but it's part of our 30 20 and that was just yesterday, or, sorry, two weeks ago was when we did our initial 30 by 20. And then we saw the rectangular shape just a little bit. And we were like, okay, why don't we focus on that today? Yeah. Ellie (Host) 9:19 Emily is a PhD student involved with the project, who provided a little bit more of an explanation on which instruments are being used on site. Emily Eklund 9:26 So the what you saw, what they are all using is it's called Earth resistivity. Earth resistance. Ellie (Host) 9:34 We just watched some students carrying a large instrument with two large prongs at the bottom. They walked a couple of steps, stabbed the prongs into the ground, waited for a beep, picked it up, and then repeated the whole process. Emily Eklund 9:46 So basically, what it does is it the two prongs are going to be putting an electrical current into the ground, and so it basically hits down on one, goes through all the moisture in the ground, hits whatever it needs to hit, pops back up into the second one, and then it goes through those cables. So you saw them kind of moving all those cables. And then if you go that way, there's like an excessive amount of cables on the ground. So basically what we have is we have two control probes in the back, so it's basically running that electrical current through the whole cable system, and what it's going to find is basically, when there are differences in that like, kind of what that resistivity is in the soil, it's going to kind of up and down the data measurement. Ellie (Host) 10:33 Emily also explained the difference between GPR, the instrument we saw students using when we first arrived on site, and Earth resistivity. Emily Eklund 10:41 GPR, which is everyone's favorite, which I'm sure they've all mentioned to you, it tends to be everyone's favorite cause it's nice, you're like pushing a lawnmower. It is pretty amazing for urban settings. It's one of the, one of the pieces of equipment that a lot of like civil engineers like to use. So basically, it does a really good job with asphalt. Loves concrete. Earth resistivity obviously has the prongs, and it's based on a moisture content, whereas this is radar based. So you actually can't run Earth resistivity on asphalt. It's just not gonna work, right? And so you're kind of seeing this like collaboration of a bunch of different techniques, because each one is going to show you a little bit something different, as well as each one suits kind of different environments. Ellie (Host) 11:30 In total, the team used four kinds of instruments on site on Sunday. In addition to GPR and Earth resistivity, they also used a fluxgate gradiometer and a magnetic conductivity device. Ellie (Host) 11:43 Dr. Hanks also shared with us the team's future plans for the park. Bryan Hanks 11:48 And it was my understanding that the city of Pittsburgh was planning to actually do kind of a redevelopment of the whole park site, and that would involve a lot of landscaping. And once they do that, it would be very difficult for us to do this kind of work. So we have about a two to three year period where we can come out and everything is pretty much open, and they're interested in having more of this geophysical work done, but also some small scale excavations. So we're in the midst right now of sort of developing a proposal for Pitt where we would then ask them, through the development office, to try to find some money to help provide some funding in the summer. Because this this kind of work, you know, we can do it a couple of days here or there. It doesn't take a lot of time. But when you start excavating, that's a completely different thing. It takes a lot more resources because you're here longer, obviously there are safety issues to consider, but then curation, right, and analysis of all of the finds that would come from the excavation. So, so that's how it kind of started, and where we are and where we're kind of thinking of going. Ellie (Host) 12:57 Westinghouse is not as well known as his peers, Henry Clay Frick or Andrew Carnegie. Many who visit Westinghouse Park are likely unfamiliar with the park's namesake. One of the main goals of the Westinghouse Legacy is to bring more people's attention to the history of the park. However, Dr. Hanks was familiar with George Westinghouse before taking on this project. Ellie (Host) 13:17 Had you heard of Westinghouse before you started this project? Or was this new to you? I had, actually, I used to in my younger years, I've been at Pitt 21 years, I used to actually run in Schenley Park a lot, and I saw the Westinghouse Memorial there. I thought, this is in a sad state, you know, of disrepair. And then I did a little bit of research on him. And then there were a couple of older faculty members in anthropology that knew a lot about the history of Pittsburgh, and they were telling me, and I just hadn't realized that, you know, he had sort of lived here. I mean, I knew about the Westinghouse footprint, obviously, but I didn't realize that he had property and so on. But I had never been to the park prior to coming out last May. Ellie (Host) 13:58 As we left the park on Sunday, we were struck by how Westinghouse Park has undergone such enormous transformations. From a family home, to a public park and arboretum, to a site for archeology research. After the geophysical survey of the park is completed and some physical excavations are carried out, there are plans in place to redevelop Westinghouse Park. A master plan was put together in 2023. It includes recommendations for the park that will make it more accessible and engaging for visitors, improve its ecological impact on the surrounding area, and make the history of the park more visible. After all, most people who visit Westinghouse Park are unaware of what lies underground. Ellie (Host) 14:37 We encourage you to visit the park as it is now and also to come back in the future to witness its continued evolution. Ellie (Host) 14:56 Thank you for joining us as we uncovered one story of Westinghouse Park. We hope you were inspired to visit this place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all of the episodes we've produced this season. You can find show notes and a transcript on our Instagram @secretpittsburgh. I'm Ellie McDonald, serving as the host and writer for this episode. Zia Hassan served as audio editor, and Sophia Krumroy researched this episode. See you later! Transcript generated using Otter.ai
Episode 6
Show Notes
In this episode, we sat down with David Bear, president of the Westinghouse Legacy. We learned all about George Westinghouse and his involvement in the Current War, a battle between himself and Thomas Edison over two types of electricity. We also learned about the movie and play adaptations made from this historical story! Extra Resources: Learn more about all things George Westinghouse at www.thewestinghouselegacy.org/ Find more info on The Current War movie here! www.imdb.com/title/tt2140507/ Learn about Quantum Theatre, the group who once put on the play of The Current War www.quantumtheatre.com/
Transcript
Sophia 0:00 Welcome to Secret Pittsburgh. In the past 15 weeks, we've traveled across the city learning the stories of Pittsburgh's people and places. Join us as we explore George Westinghouse Memorial and park. I'm your host, Sophia. Let's go. Background Music 0:22 David Bear 0:25 This is why I say with some confidence that no one who has ever called Pittsburgh home has had a greater impact on the world and history than George Westinghouse. Sophia 0:37 Join us for our interview with David Bear, president and founding member of the Westinghouse Legacy, a Pennsylvania registered 501, (c) (3) nonprofit honoring George Westinghouse Jr, someone known as one of history's most impactful people. George Westinghouse is memorialized in the city of Pittsburgh within Westinghouse Park and the Westinghouse Memorial. Westinghouse Park, near Pittsburgh's Point Breeze and Homewood neighborhoods sits on what was his former home, Solitude. Westinghouse Memorial near Schenley Park celebrates Westinghouse's inventions and character, and worldwide, Westinghouse’s character is remembered through the movie The Current War. As historian James Van Trump says, “there's no doubt Westinghouse was a great man, possibly the greatest who ever lived in Pittsburgh, and certainly greater than the business or financial wizards who manipulated other men's ideas. Perhaps he might better be called an inspired mechanic of almost divine proportions, a messiah of the mechanistic 19th century. What was in his mind and what emerged from his hand turned miraculously into devices that have helped transform the world.” David Bear 1:39 It was in I guess, about 1886 when George Westinghouse heard about a former employee of Thomas Edison's named Nikola Tesla, who had figured out the principle for what he called polyphase electricity, polyphase AC current. And Westinghouse had the vision to see how that could be used, in terms of what he was trying to establish with AC electricity, so he struck up a relationship with Tesla. And Tesla actually came and spent six months living at the Westinghouse estate in Pittsburgh while they worked out the principles of generating and creating a polyphase motor. Sophia 2:36 George Westinghouse Jr was an industrialist, engineer and inventor, largely based in the Pittsburgh area, known for his large role in the use of alternating current, also known as AC current, and the invention of the railway air brake with the Westinghouse Air Brake company. David Bear 2:53 So that motor really meant suddenly that AC electricity had very practical purposes and can be used for all kinds of things. Sophia 3:05 In 1886 he began the Westinghouse Electric Corporation after he realized how useful AC current could be for electric power. This did, however, pose a direct threat to Thomas Edison, who was advocating for the use of direct current, also known as DC current, Spark Sound Effect 3:20 Sophia 3:21 Westinghouse realized that he could use an already existing invention, the electrical transformer, to increase current voltage to travel long distances and then send this high voltage electricity to a second transformer closer to its destination, to then decrease the voltage to a safe level for consumer usage. This allowed for the use of centralized power plants to send AC current long distances away, to far away areas, making AC current superior to Edison's DC current. This competition between these two methods led to what is now known as the Current War between George Westinghouse and Thomas Edison. This story was memorable enough to be made into a movie released in 2017, titled The Current War with the star studded cast, including Benedict Cumberbatch and Tom Holland, this is their story. Do we know how exactly Tesla got involved into all of this? Like was their previous relationship already established between Westinghouse and Tesla? David Bear 4:18 Nikola Tesla was a young Serbian. I think at this time he had, he was, spoke many languages, and he was a quirky character say the least, and had, but he was, at the time, deemed a brilliant electrician. At that time, there wasn't really such a thing as an electrician, but his conceptual, his ability to conceive of uses of electric power, he wound up going to France, I believe it was, where there was an Edison company, Edison General Electric in France, and he interviewed with the person who ran it, who realized his brilliance, and wrote a letter of introduction to Thomas Edison, saying, as you read this, there are the two most genius electrical people I know, and they're both sitting in the room, and one is you and one is the person who's giving it to you. Sophia 5:29 This was the start of a short partnership between Edison and Tesla. Tesla was given the task to improve engine efficiency, and he succeeded. David Bear 5:36 And so that was the beginning of the end of Tesla at General Electric, and he left, and for a time he was trying to start his own company, also working and digging ditches in New York City to support himself while this happened, and he managed to get to make a presentation in front of some New York scientific group, and he did, and that's how Westinghouse heard about it. Sophia 6:12 George Westinghouse was known for being humble, not naming large buildings after himself, or trying to have his name in the media. He was known for his kindness towards his employees, and is credited with the invention of the weekend. David Bear 6:23 It was very toxic at the time. Edison loved to get publicity, and he was a master of it. On the other hand, George Westinghouse shunned publicity. He said, I don't, don't want to have my name or face in the paper. Sophia 6:42 The Westinghouse Memorial was even funded by his former employees who highly respected him as a person. It can be hard to believe that this large of a feud could be caused just because of two types of electricity, but Edison did not like the competition. David Bear 6:55 So when Edison perceived, felt that Westinghouse was trying to steal the electricity away from him. He got very aggressive and did a number of things. This is, the ability to transmit AC electricity means that you have to step it up from 200 volts to 10,000 volts and transmit it. And at the other end, you step it back down and use it at a smaller voltage, depending on what its use is at the time. Spark Sound Effect 7:37 David Bear 7:38 And Edison was convinced, and it was rightly so, if you grab a high tension line, it's not going to be good. But he was, he was convinced that AC electricity was going to kill somebody. And in fact, he did some demonstrations where he killed some dogs and cats to show that. And in fact, the at the same time, there was an effort to try to find a more humane way than a firing squad or hanging or, you know, the ways that they did executions in this would have been in 1890s 1880s probably. And so somebody came to Westinghouse, came to Edison and asked for help in designing a chair, an electric chair. And Edison did that secretly. Said, you know, you can't trace this back to me at all, but here's what you have to do. And in fact, he specified that you have to get a Westinghouse generator and generate AC electricity and use that to kill, his name was Otto Kemmler, who was, that's, again, that's another story, but, but Edison used that incident as a way he was trying to promote, they didn't have a word for execution, electrification at that time, electrocution at that time, and he coined the expression. They were going to Westinghouse a person to death. And so that was the kind of thing that Edison was engaging in trying to do to beat back the AC electricity. Spark Sound Effect 9:35 Sophia 9:36 So do you think then that this rivalry was almost one sided, or did Westinghouse hate Edison as much? David Bear 9:42 Well, I think after all this went down, Westinghouse hated Edison. If that's an appropriate word, I don't know the hate would be, but deeply disrespected and shall we say? And early on in the relationship, Westinghouse reached out several times, and said maybe we should work together, because DC power is actually quite useful in a lot of ways. And as it turns out, 30% of the things that we have these computers are powered on DC power that is converted at the switch from AC power in the walls. So DC power has a lot of uses. And he said, let's get together and figure out the best way to do this, and Edison would have nothing to do with it at all. And so there's some dramatic scenes where Westinghouse was waiting at the station as a train with Edison was going by and expecting him to get off so that he could talk about this work, and Edison just said that's we're gonna just keep going until anyways, who knows how much that's really true, but makes for a good story. Sophia 10:57 And so speaking of stories, have you seen any of the adaptations of this story in the media? I mean, we've seen that there's a movie made about the current war in somewhat recent years, and also the Quantum Theatre's more local play adaptation of it. Have you seen either of these adaptations, and how do you feel about how true to history those adaptations are? David Bear 11:19 Well, I have seen both. And actually, I will say, with some pride, was instrumental in getting the Quantum Theatres production to be a reality. The movie The Current War was written by a guy from Pittsburgh named Michael Mitnick, who wrote it originally, and when he wrote the story, he wrote it when he was getting his Masters at Yale Drama, and he was a librettist, he wrote music. And so he wrote this play, and he wrote it as a musical, but and he after he was he got his degree, he went to New York to try to get the musical produced, but at some point, he had an agent who said, this isn't going to work, and instead, he rewrote it as a as a movie that was eventually produced and with Benedict Cumberbatch as Edison and Michael Shannon as George Westinghouse. It's a really wonderful movie that, I think is, you know, is, is a dramatic retelling of facts that that are attributable that. But the libretto for the original version of it was in Michael's drawer for 10 years, and through work in Westinghouse Park, I had gotten to know his father, who is a professor at Pitt in the Katz School, and in our conversations, he told me about this libretto that had been written, and I was able to get to Michael, and Michael sent me a copy, and I was able to get that to Karla Boos, who is the creative director of the Quantum Theatre. And long story short, she thought it was great. And so in I guess was May and June of 2021 we had, we produced the, the premier, and probably only production of Current Wars, The Musical under a tent in Westinghouse Park. And so it was very cool because it happened, but B there were scenes in the play that had happened at Solitude. So, you know, there's a lot of good things that happened about it in that regard. Sophia 13:54 Solitude is the name of George Westinghouse's former estate, that was later demolished and is now known as Westinghouse Park. It is now a lovely place to visit with walking paths and a playground on the land that was once Westinghouse's home and laboratory. For those in the Pittsburgh area, Westinghouse Park and the Westinghouse Memorial are lovely places to visit to learn more about George Westinghouse, and I encourage listeners to read more on the Westinghouse Legacy website, at thewestinghouselegacy.org. Background Music 14:21 Sophia 14:35 Thank you for joining us as we uncovered one story of the George Westinghouse Memorial and Park. We hope you are inspired to visit this place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all the episodes we've produced this season. You can find show notes and a transcript at our Instagram at Secret Pittsburgh. I'm Sophia Krumroy serving as the host and writer for this episode. Zia Hasan served as audio editor and Ellie McDonald researched this episode. See you later!
Episode 7
Show Notes
Come with us to meet the amazing team that curated the current exhibits at the University Art Gallery! Carissa and Liz host interviews with the curators of the gallery, and artist of the exhibit, “Rewilding,” to discuss how they source, organize, and interpret the art chosen to showcase. The history of the pieces is intertwined with the Pittsburgh community and culture, but it takes a little digging to get to the true source of inspiration for the pieces chosen. “Joe Magarac Returns,” may have been an inspiration to many immigrants during Pittsburgh’s peak industrial progress, but what were the intentions behind the creation of the folktale? How does “Broken Ground,” illuminate the unpleasant consequences of the rise of the steel industry? These are two of many questions that will be discussed in our second episode, “Behind the Scenes at the UAG.” Key Topics: Welcome to the UAG [0:26] UAG History [0:38] Current Art Director: Slyvia Rhor [1:30] Current UAG Exhibits [3:40] Joe Magarac [4:20] Visit the UAG Yourself [12:13] Check out this link to learn more about the UAG! www.uag.pitt.edu An Analysis of Joe Magarac’s History - daily.jstor.org/joe-magarac-a-bos…a-of-a-folk-hero/ Wanna learn more about our guest speaker? Get to know them here: Sylvia Rhor Samaniego - www.haa.pitt.edu/people/sylvia-rhor-samaniego
Transcript
Nick Billups: Welcome to Secret Pittsburgh. In the past 15 weeks, we've traveled across the city learning the stories of Pittsburgh's people and places. Join us as we explore the University Art Gallery at the University of Pittsburgh. I'm Nick Billups here with hosts Liz Langer and Carissa Case. Let's go. Nick Billups: Located across Schenley Plaza from the Cathedral of Learning and Pitt's campus. The gallery houses not only student works, but it features art from all over the world, with particular focus on Pittsburgh history and culture. The story of the gallery is a representation of the city itself. Starting out as a small room in the Cathedral of Learning the space has grown, along with the university. Its exhibits present a broad picture of the history of Pittsburgh and the human stories that have embodied it, a gift from Helen Clay Frick established the University Art Gallery in its current space in the Frick fine arts building in 1965. Miss Frick wanted a palatial building that would stand out on the Oakland campus, and her wishes were certainly indulged, modeled after a Roman villa owned by Pope Julius the Third. Frick Fine Arts houses classrooms, art galleries, and open cloister garden, and one of the nation's top Fine Arts Library. Carissa Case: We had the chance to sit down with the current University Art Gallery art director Sylvia Rhrr, when we asked Sylvia about her path to working in art museums and eventually coming to Pitt, she gave us an extraordinary answer. Sylvia Rhor: After I finished my doctorate, I became a tenured professor. I worked up to being a tenured professor of art history at Carlow University, which is just down the block. During my doctoral work, and even before I was in graduate school, I worked in museums, both in New York and in Chicago and in other places. I've always been super dedicated to museums. I love them. I was not raised in a museum going family, but for some reason, I was very drawn to museums. While I was at Carlow, even though I was teaching art history full time, I saw the opportunity to start a gallery for art, so I raised the money and did the strategic plan and started the first full time Art Gallery at Carlow University that was dedicated to social justice. And at that point, and this is about 2015, my interest shifted from wanting to be a strict academic teaching art history in the classroom to seeing the potential of what a University Art Gallery could do, both on campus, but for social justice issues and for the community. So after getting the Carlow University Gallery off the ground and feeling like it could soar on its own, and it is actually, I'm happy to say, I really wanted to dedicate my time to being in academic museums, not public museums, but museums within University structures, because I think they fulfill a really unique role in arts landscapes, in educational landscapes. But we can do things that big museums can always do, sometimes more interesting things, sometimes more experimental things. I think of it as a laboratory, you know, a 1965 building, but it looks like a renaissance palace. It has the legacy of the fricks. The space is odd and asks you to curate in innovative ways. But there was a growing Museum Studies program and a strong art history program, and I saw the potential for really molding this in a way that could be very interesting. We were talking I'm not from Pittsburgh originally, but I love Pittsburgh history, and again, it was so tied to Pittsburgh history and Pitt history that I thought there was a tremendous opportunity, and I haven't been wrong. Carissa Case: And with Pittsburgh's opportunity comes Pittsburgh's history. The exhibits currently on display at the UAG include Broken Ground, Re-wilding and Joe Magarac Returns. Featuring artworks depicting the deplorable working conditions of the Pittsburgh steel workers, Broken ground focuses on the harsh realities of life in the city during the steel industry's boom, while Rewilding, presenting the renaturing of abandoned golf courses across the US, provide an immersive experience to show how exclusive spaces have evolved and recovered from their conquered past as nature has taken over once again. Liz Langer: At the rear end of the gallery hall, visitors are greeted with a bright room full of advertisements, the most eye catching illustration of them all, a four foot tall painting depicting Pittsburgh folk hero and the strongest steel worker who ever lived, Joe Magarac, as legend has it, Joe Magarac, a Slavic immigrant from Braddock, PA, stood over seven feet tall and was literally a man of steel. He worked day and night, turning out thousands of tons of steel a day. Born from the mills, steel making was all he ever wanted to do. In the end, Joe Magarac threw himself into the flames of the steel mill in order to make the biggest, strongest steel of them all. Sylvia Rhor: So this exhibition really seeks to kind of trace his trajectory from birth to Joe Magarac after the demise of big steel, and where is he today? Like, what role does this story play in our contemporary context? So our painting, Joe Magarac by William Gropper, is perhaps one of the best known paintings of our collection, and it had been on long term loan at the Westmoreland Museum of Art, of American art in Greensburg for well over a decade. I mean, I actually never knew it to be here, and it was a very popular piece there. A lot of people from this area knew the tale, knew the painting, and they embraced it, but we kind of brought him home to this show so that we can explore him a little bit from a different perspective, to really give him central focus in the back gallery, and worked with Rivers of Steel, Monica did, to get some other elements of how the image of Joe madrack circulated in our in our culture. And then we worked with question Whitlock, who is a contemporary artist in Pittsburgh, so that he juxtaposed the story of Joe madrack with that of John Henry, so that we can start to think about these tales and the issues they raise about immigration, masculinity, race, labor in general. And I think those are all stories that are, you know, germane to Pittsburgh, but also so important as we're talking about our contemporary lived experience. Liz Langer: Magarac embodied the values of hard working immigrant communities who migrated to Pittsburgh in droves during the height of the city's industrial boom. He was the perfect steel worker. Carissa Case: However, there's more to the story of Joe Magarac than meets the eye. Folk legends commonly come from grassroots sources passed around between communities and generations who each give it life. But Magarac's origins are a bit different, intended to generate good PR for the back breaking labor involved in steel work, the ad department of US Steel is the true origin of the legend of Joe Magarac. Was Joe truly a hometown hero of the working class, or was he just a money making scheme? Here at the UAG exhibit, we see the answer lies in both categories. Sylvia Rhor: It has definitely been an eye opening experience just looking at the images of Joe on tie clips, beer cans, comic books, everything I just I really didn't know how deeply steeped in in this local culture he was. Carissa Case: Director Rhor has not only had the chance to research the history of Joe Magarac, but can relate to him on a personal level. Born from a Latino working class family, she shares her take on what Joe Magarac represents. Sylvia Rhor: I always share this story. I'm the daughter of Latino immigrants. So like, part of the appeal of the story for me was to think about immigration in this country and how immigrants are seen in this country. And we started really developing this show over a year ago. So that has been in the culture for a long time, but I think it's a complicated idea, because I, for me, sometimes I roil, or I get very upset. The idea of thinking about immigrants equated with just back breaking labor to know, to the you know, to the extent that their other lives are not part of this. Joe Magarac doesn't get married, and he's congratulated for being a only dedicated to his work, or giving himself totally to labor, and that, I actually did see that very much in my family, right? That how hard they worked and and then there's another part where there's a lot of pride in his work, and a lot of Croatian and Slavic immigrants took pride in seeing what they how they helped build this country, right? And they embraced Joe Magarac For that reason too, that it showed the tremendous things that they were bringing to this country and giving to this country. So there's a source of pride, then there's another source that makes me feel like it's a little propagandistic that that immigrants should work at this level all the time, and that's what they're meant for. And I think that that's kind of the interesting thing about John Magarac is, I think it operates on both levels: as a source of pride for some within the community, but also as a propagandistic tool of this is how we should see immigrants. I still talk to my father every night, and when he says, "What did you do today?" And I said, "Oh, he just worked all day. I'm really tired." And he's like, "yep, that's what we do." And so in many ways, it he, as a person who came to this country to work, understands that as part of the identity. But sometimes I want to say, "No, you're here to do so much more, like you are so much more than your work." And I that's a very personal take on that, but that's that's what I know from lived experience too. Carissa Case: Looking at the legend of Joe Magarac, we can see what Pittsburgh was like in the height of its industrial progress, and even see where a lot of current cultural norms come from. The reality of Pittsburgh's past has and still does influence the present day, and the University Art Gallery does a great job at displaying this idea of Pittsburgh. Sylvia Rhor: But in the front gallery, in the back gallery, what I love is we have historic images of steel mills, coal mines, areas of slag heaps and areas of town that people come into this gallery, and I've seen this for this exhibition more than any of the exhibitions I've seen over the past five years, they will say, "oh my goodness, I remember that from Friday night." "Oh my god, that is my that's the way I drive to my mother's house." "Oh my goodness." Like there's a personal connection by so many visitors who come in, who see some of the images of the landscapes, or even the tale of Joe Magarac, and they have this immediate connection, and they can share their story about their own personal, you know, traversing of that space, or their grandfather who was a coal miner, or, you know, any connection that they have which is so exciting. Liz Langer: And shaping this idea of Pittsburgh takes a village to create. The University Art Gallery builds a team of not only Pitt art affiliated students and staff, but local and global partners as well. Sylvia Rhor: The Museum Studies program has just blossomed in the last four years. So I think we're the only university in the near in this region that has a permanent gallery with a permanent collection of 3500 plus objects, huge exhibition spaces and this interesting history. So we've been able to play with these spaces to do interesting exhibitions that are both local, sometimes but also global. And this has become the training ground for the next generation of museum professionals in this area. Students come in and they help us curate shows, and they help us think through the objects and and really start to dig into this history in really interesting ways. So it has been fun, and it's been fun to reshape it with an amazing group of people, and I mean students and gallery attendants and interns and colleagues at the University, but also community members. Liz Langer: The University Art Gallery is open to all students, staff and community members looking to find a tranquil setting in the midst of a busy city. It's weird in all the right ways. You can see the current display at the University Art Gallery until March 21 2025, and when you do take a moment to appreciate the phases of Pittsburgh as we wouldn't be here without them. Carissa Case: Thank you for joining us as we uncovered one story of the University Art Gallery at the University of Pittsburgh. We hope you are inspired to visit this place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all the episodes we've produced this season. You can find show notes and a transcript at secret pittsburgh.org. I'm Carissa Case and I'm Liz Langer, Nick Billups served as audio editor and Willie Wei wrote and researched this episode. See yinz later!
Episode 8
Show Notes
Over the past 15 weeks, the class of Secret Pittsburgh had the opportunity to explore different sites all over the Pittsburgh area. In this episode, we dive deeper into the University Art Gallery (UAG) at the University of Pittsburgh. From being built across from the heart of campus, the Cathedral, to housing works not only from students, but from artists around the world, the University Art Gallery is home to rich history and a welcoming community. As students, we were able to explore the gallery and talk one on one with the curators and artists themselves. Come with us on a Saturday afternoon as we dive deeper into the understanding and appreciation of each piece. Key Topics: Welcome to the UAG [0:29] Broken Ground [2:25] Dumping Slag, Pittsburgh [2:48] Bigpinkheatwavestormfrontsmokeplume [4:49] Cecilia Muzika-Minteer [3:30] Rewilding [6:31] Student Reflection [7:19] Check out this link to learn more about the UAG! www.uag.pitt.edu Wanna learn more about our guest speakers? Get to know them here: Sarah Moore - www.filmandmedia.pitt.edu/people/sarah-moore Cecilia Muzika-Minteer - www.haa.pitt.edu/people/cecilia-muzika-minteer
Transcript
Liz Langer: Hey, Carissa, how's your Friday? Carissa Case: Oh, not too bad. I kind of bombed an exam this morning, but at least the weekend's here. Do you have any plans yet? Liz Langer: Not yet. It sounds like it's gonna be a pretty quiet weekend. Hey, look at this email. I just got. The Pittwire has an announcement about the University Art Gallery, and it's free to visit. Do you want to go check out the new exhibits? Carissa Case: Yeah, that sounds like it could be cool. It's not too far. Let's walk over together. Nick Billups: In Pittsburgh's University core of Oakland, you'll find the sprawling green of Schenley Plaza imposing institutions of knowledge and history in the Carnegie museums, and, of course, a palace for the arts at Pitt. The Frick fine arts building is an Italianate tribute to the finest art the university has to offer, housing, world class art libraries, courtyard gardens that stay beautifully colorful even in the dead of winter. And the University Art Gallery inside Frick, Liz and Carissa find a unique display of Pittsburgh's history. The University Art Gallery tells an evolving story of the region's industrial past and its sometimes uncertain future. Three exhibits sit on display in the main corridor of the gallery. At first glance, you'll see Broken Ground: a room full of works depicting the golden age of industry in the Steel City. Once thought of as heroic feats of human ingenuity and triumph over nature, modern understanding of the effects of these industries paints these works in different light. Through the next room, Liz and Carissa find the gallery's historic rotunda. Once housing a pipe organ, here they find a video projection display featuring rolling clips of now abandoned golf courses being reclaimed by nature. Called Rewilding,the piece reflects on the change between these once exclusive, elitist spaces being reclaimed by growth and now accessible to all. The very last exhibit featured as Liz and Carissa continue through the gallery is Joe Magarac returns. A display of a Pittsburgh folk hero known for superhuman strength and a never ending work ethic, while the folk legend celebrates immigrant communities that made up the industrial boom of the city. However, Joe Magarac's true roots lie less within the immigrant community and more within the marketing department of US Steel. But Liz and Carissa find out more about the history behind the exhibits as they move through the gallery. Liz Langer: Wow, this building's beautiful. I don't even remember seeing it on campus tours. How come we've never been? Carissa Case: I don't know, but I'm glad we decided to visit now. Hey, check this out. I can't believe Pittsburgh used to be like this. You know, I read somewhere that the city left street lights on all day because it was almost impossible to see through the air pollution. Liz Langer: I know, right? It's crazy how much the city has evolved throughout the years, and how it's shown through the art. Carissa Case: I like how there's a mix of contemporary art as well as the original pieces from the 1940s. It really shows the differences and similarities between their interpretations of the time period. Liz Langer: This piece titled, Dumping Slag, Pittsburgh, painted by Aaron Barad, shows the height of the industrial progress in Pittsburgh. It says that slag dump is the land that's where century three mall was built decades later. The gallery even has a statue that used to be in the mall. Carissa Case: I heard the mall has been vacant for a while now, and there are plans to demolish it very soon. The size of the train compared to the sheer mass of the slag heap really made me think about how much waste was produced during this very important era of industrial progress, and how the city improvised ways to not let that space go to waste. Nick Billups: To learn more about broken ground and how the University Art Gallery as a whole represents Pittsburgh's history, Liz and Carissa sat down with Cecilia Muzika-Minteer, a graduate fellow at the University Art Gallery. Cecelia Muzika-Minteer: That is, in some ways, it's done in the kind of sublime that we see, I think, in the images, right? And I refer to, you know, I often think is like the sublime, but in the subterranean sense, and in the kind of toxic sense, as being something where you see the natural and the economic landscape mold together, right? Everything kind of melts together. It's where, like the Miner is disappearing into the subterranean scene. It's where the glowing of the kind of molten waste that's falling down the hillside is normalized and naturalized, right? It's how these colors and everything melt together. And I think that alone, by problematizing that through the contemporary pieces that are inserted in here that are very much about reconsidering those processes and reconsidering the cyclicality of them and reconsidering how they're sedimented and layered into parts of our society does kind of do that. Liz Langer: I think the contrast between the darkness of the pieces from the 1940s and the bright colors included in these contemporary pieces of 2024 say a lot about how being alive during that time period cast the shadow over the benefits of progress when the side effects were affecting them in so many ways of life. Carissa Case: I agree. This piece, titled Bigpinkheatwavestormfrontsmokeplumes, uses an unnatural bright pink color to contrast with the muted background, and is described as quote, "exploring the tension between natural beauty and the impact of human activity." Cecelia Muzika-Minteer: The slag dump image, right, where you can see that kind of like molten material, wasted material, rolling down the hillside. And then right next to it, you have that Clayton Merrill piece, which is actually very much a commentary on air pollution, right, and waste and the way we think about toxicity is like being something linear that just goes somewhere. Right when we're dumping that slag, they were like, Oh, it's just going into the valley, not thinking about the fact that it continues on and continues to poison an environment and so on. And what Clayton Merrill does there, right? We have these like, bright pink plumes coming up, but then you realize that those lines coming back down are part of that same process, right? They're part of a cyclical thing that we like to ignore. We like to think like things like air pollution aren't affecting us. And I think about that a lot, because I actually work for a nonprofit here in Pittsburgh that is specifically about air pollution in our area. And I think a lot about the fact that, in general, waste that is produced both in mining processes, that affects our water systems, it affects our soil we like. Liz Langer: I agree with the artist saying this piece is turning pollution into a spectacle of unsettling beauty. I think the modern perspective of Pittsburgh industrial progress tends to focus on the harmful effects separately from the benefits, but this piece doesn't allow the viewer to separate the two. Nick Billups: Liz and Carissa move into the rotunda to see Rewilding. Liz Langer: There's a remarkable contrast between the color and energy of this room compared to broken ground. The images are way brighter, and scenery is depicted in such a unique living way. Carissa Case: The artist, Sarah Moore, mapped the video projections precisely using the architecture in the garden cloister, a lively courtyard space in the center of the building housing an open air garden. The garden and its floor to ceiling windows provide the art gallery with most of its natural light, while vividly illuminating the rest of the interior space. Being able to comfortably view the projections that are separated using the sections of the domed ceiling makes the experience much more immersive, while also highlighting the ornate design of the room. Liz Langer: I like how this video installation piece feels like a break between the heavier pieces of Pittsburgh's past. I also found Sarah Moore's questions interesting when she asked, "What do we leave in and what do we leave out when we pass down these stories, and what effect do those omissions have on those who inherit these tales?" It's definitely important to think about these when we look at all art in the gallery. Sarah Moore: I wanted it to be a contrast, but I also wanted it to be an inviting space that people felt comfortable in, that they could talk about the other shows or talk about anything and just feel kind of a sense of calm and maybe a respite from other things going on in the galleries or in the world or in their lives. Liz Langer: It's so cool that we have access to this gallery of students. I can't believe we haven't been here before! Carissa Case: It's so cool that this is open to the public too. It allows the whole Pittsburgh community to interact with a university-run art gallery. Liz Langer: The history of the building is so integral in the way it fits into the city, including the pieces chosen to be exhibited. The gallery is so important when it comes to tying in the art world with the pig community, and it does so in a gracious way. We should definitely come back soon. Carissa Case: Yeah, for sure, I love learning about the city and the art behind it. Nick Billups: Thank you for joining us as we uncovered one story of the University Art Gallery at the University of Pittsburgh. We hope you are inspired to visit this place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all the episodes we've produced this season. You can find those as well as show notes and a transcript of this episode at secret pittsburgh.org. Carissa Case and Liz Langer have been your hosts. I'm Nick Billups, your narrator and editor, and your producer has been Willie Wei. See yinz later.
Episode 9
Show Notes
Kelly Strayhorn Theater (KST): kelly-strayhorn.org/ About bell hooks – The bell hooks center at Berea College: www.berea.edu/centers/the-bell-h…-center/about-bell Melanie Paglia: Artist Profile: kelly-strayhorn.org/artist-profiles…paglia-melanie/ Joseph Hall: "Art Is Everything": www.ebanman.com/community-voice/j…rt-is-everything/
Transcript
Tommy Pavlowski: Welcome to Secret Pittsburgh. In the past 15 weeks, we've traveled across the city, learning the stories of Pittsburgh's people and places. Join us as we explore the Kelly Strayhorn theater. I'm Tommy. Let's go. Have you ever noticed the sensations around you, the feel of air on your skin, the sound of footsteps coming down the street, or the distant chatting blending into the background? These are the kind of moments we often overlook, yet they shape the way we experience the spaces we move through. When we visited the Kelly Strayhorn theater. We begin with something simple yet profound, noticing our surroundings. One of KST’s co-executive directors guided us through this activity, asking us to pause, to listen, to smell, and take in the East Liberty surroundings as if seeing them for the first time. The steady rush of passing cars, the gentle breeze that brushes past us, the subtle rustling of leaves, it all became part of the story of this place. Joseph: So I am so glad that it's a nice day out. That's great. Umm if you can just take a, take a look around. You don't need a look at Kelly Strayhorn theater yet, but just take a look around. See what you notice. As far as your eye can see, from left to right, up and down across the street. Do you smell things? Do you hear things? Does anyone have any information about what they see. It can be buildings, colors, stores. Tommy Pavlowski: When Joseph asked us to think about what we see, hear and feel in the neighborhood, it wasn't just about observing. It was about understanding how this space, with its history and energy, shapes the experience of those who live here and visit here. East liberty is a neighborhood and transformation, and KST is part of that story. KST is a living space where your senses are awakened and engaged. It's a space with history, creativity and connection. The antique charm of the building hints at the rich history it holds within the walls. Yet the theater's glowing sign indicates a sense of renewal and captures attention, featuring the original signatures of Gene Kelly and Billy Strayhorn, the signs serve as a recognition to these artists and a symbol of creativity that happens in the theater. Today, I will take you inside, exploring not only its walls, but the people and the ideas that make it so much more than the theater Located in the heart of East liberty. KST isn't just a space where performances happen, it's a vital part of the neighborhood's identity, from hosting groundbreaking performances to fostering community engagement. KST is a place where people gather to create, connect, and express themselves freely. Something that makes KST truly unique is the people behind the scenes. During our visit, we were able to meet Joseph Hall and Melanie Paglia, and really got to know them through an interview. Joseph and Melanie are the Co-executive directors of KST. This commitment to shared leadership reflects an openness to diverse perspectives and ideas, fostering a more equitable and Representative approach. As leaders of KST, Joseph and Melanie bring their passion and professionalism for art and community into every aspect of the theater's work. [Act 2] Tommy Pavlowski: Once inside, we were welcomed by the cozy atmosphere of the lobby. The soft, warm lighting set a relaxing tone, inviting us to settle in and explore the space around us. Joseph and Melanie were not in a rush to tell us about the theater and words. Instead, we started our visit with a classic theater warm up: Shakedown. We shook our arms and legs, counting down from eight shakes to one. Melanie Paglia: All right, and let's end with a, an exercise. We're gonna count down from eight. We're gonna go, one two three four five six seven eight, one two three four five six seven eight, one two three four five six seven eight, one two three four five six seven eight, shake it out. We'll do eight, and then we'll do it seven times, six times five times, four times, three times two times, one time. Okay? It's gonna really get our, you know, shake our whatever's out and get our energy up. Okay? Alright! One two three four five six seven eight, one two three four five six seven eight, one two three four five six seven eight, one two three four five six seven eight! One two three four five six seven, one two three four five six seven, one two three four five six seven, one two three four five six seven! One two three four five six, one two three four five six, one two three four five six, one two three four five six! One two three four five, one two three four five, one two three four five, one two three four five! One two three four, one two three four, one two three four, one two three four! One two three, one two three, one two three! One two, one two, one two! One! One! One! One! All right! Give yourselves a hand, that was pretty good! [Clapping] Tommy Pavlowski: The Activity allowed us to shake the nerves of being in a new space for the first time and laugh as a group, setting the scene for the rest of the visit. As we moved from the lobby to the stage, we played a theater game called Weird Machine, Melanie Paglia: But while we're on the stage, we thought it might be fun to play a little theater game Umm last year it was very popular. It's a theater game called Weird Machine, okay? So in theater, it takes a lot of parts and pieces, a lot of people and their roles to make it all happen. Umm each working on their own way together to make it all happen. Um in theater, we have our actors, we have the director, we have designers, we have the technical team, and then there we have the production manager, the stage manager, the lighting designer, the lighting technician, the audio engineer, the audio engineer two sometimes. So lots of people play different roles to make the whole story happen, to make the whole thing happen. If we think about it in terms of a machine of a factory, if you think mechanical, right, you think about a system where you flip a switch and that makes a gear work, and that gear, in turn, makes something else happen, and that other thing makes something else happen. So, in this exercise, we're going to embody a weird machine. We're going to split up into three groups, so we'll count off by three. So there'll be three groups, and so there'll be about seven people in each group, and each of those, approximately seven people will be one part of a larger machine. Okay? So the first person will come up with a physicality, a movement. You can be creative and add an audio sound to it as well, and that will, in turn enact someone else, the next person, to begin theirs, and then the next person, and then the next person. And in your groups, I'd like for you to think about what your product is, what the end result is, what is the what the last person is producing? Right? You're telling a story here. We have a beginning. We have an introduction. How are you kicking things off? What is the middle? What's the meat of the story? You know, what's happening in the middle to make it all happen, and then how does it end? What are you producing? What are we finally getting at the end of all of this? Tommy Pavlowski: By the end, we felt a stronger connection to Joseph and Melanie. It reminded us that theater isn't just about what happens on stage. It's about the shared experiences, how performers interact with audiences and engaging them in performance. This simple warm up activity sets the tone for our visit at KST , where we feel a sense of belonging. One of the most prominent spaces in the theater is the “kitchen”. Though it might sound like a space for cooking, it's actually the lobby at KST. This is where the community comes together for social events, conversations, and activities that build connections. It's not just a place to pass through when you're going to stage. It's a space designed for people to gather, share ideas, and engage with one another, whether it's a casual chat about their week, a discussion about the performance that just took place at KST, or a community event that celebrates an important day. The kitchen plays a central role in fostering the theater's sense of belonging and connection. Joseph Hall: I think of it often as the kitchen. We think of this as a home. I think of this as a kitchen. Umm, if you can think about the times you've been to a house party, so many people congregate in the kitchen, for whatever reason. You know? We have a tradition of breaking bread together. Maybe that's, maybe that's it, drinking together, whatever it is. Umm many times this lobby, before and after a performance, folks can really connect with each other. Can talk about their performance. Can say, hey, where do you live? I live right down the block. Whatever, it's where people are really connecting is in this lobby before and after the theater. We have a bar so folks can get drinks, snacks, whatever it is. Umm, I really think of this as almost the most important space in umm, in our theater, and what I believe is becoming the most important space in most theaters as theater is changing in the 21st century. As I often say, this theater, and so many theaters in Pittsburgh were built at the turn of the last century as movie theaters. So someone said Hines Hall, the symphony, umm was their favorite place, that was built at the turn of last century as a movie theater. It's huge. The Benedum downtown built as a movie theater. The Byham built as a movie theater. So many of our spaces were built as a movie theater for folks who existed then and wanted to partake in arts and culture in a way that I think we differ from. I think we're much more we want more social interaction. We expect more of our arts and entertainment. So I do believe that this lobby and so many of our lobby spaces are becoming more and more important to really help us connect with one another, not just kind of go to a performance with our friends and sit there quietly. We want to take pictures. We want to document the experience. We want to really be social with each other. So just to give you context around kind of why I think of this as, as the kitchen and the most important spot in the theater. Tonight, we have an event, which is the Kiki, the mini Kiki ball. The mini Kiki ball. So that's why you see the lobby set up as it is. Who's putting that on? Melanie Paglia: Allies for public health? Joseph Hall: Yes! JR, please tell us about that event. J.R. Shaw: So allies PGH, which is a health and wellness organization, they have project silk, which is an organization dedicated to queer youth, and so they are using our lobby, for the first time to do a Kiki, which is a type of queer dance party. And it's also going to be really nice everyone gonna have a health component. If you noticed the some of the no parking signs, there's going to be a van where people can do HIV testing right outside. So it's going to be just a nice, you know, using, you know, this kitchen for a celebration and for the community and, you know, the youth of Pittsburgh, Joseph Hall: And that's J.R. Shaw, our production manager. So this space, as you heard, is also used for events, for performances. We intentionally kind of curate this space as much as possible, because it is really important. What you may have seen, if you were coming here, I don't know, in the 1950s, is a water fountain. There was a water fountain here at some point. At some point, probably around the 1970s There were doors here before you get into this other part of the lobby. So this has changed as well. And the 90s, all of this plaster work that you see would have been repaired, painted, in these rectangles. You also see these, not a part of the original. This is to help with sound. So we can do really great dance parties, or we can have a singer songwriter perform out here. It helps absorb the sound. Those were installed, probably around 2011 in this space, not original. I don't believe these lights are original, either. This is original. Yes, you can see this is original. You can see parts that are cracking. You can see parts where there may have been other things installed. Melanie Paglia: There were stanchions where you see the little holes, little circles were poles for stanchions, so that it created a pathway for people to enter and exit. Tommy Pavlowski: As we spent time at KST, we learned more about its mission and how it serves as a gathering space for the community. Joseph Hall: Our official mission is Kelly Strayhorn theater is a home for creative experimentation, community dialog and collective action rooted in the liberation of black and queer people. We say that everyone is welcomed here. You hear those two specific identities within our mission, black and queer people. Yes, and we also know and believe that the liberation of those identities are intertwined with everyone else, everyone else who may not identify as those things, as black or as queer. So when you come to Kelly Strayhorn, you'll see a variety of different types of artists on our stage, whether they are black and queer or not. You'll see a variety of different types of people in the audience or on our staff. Because we really believe that it takes a collective, it takes all of us to really not only find kind of the freedoms, the joy and life for black and queer people, but for everyone. And we do believe that when we are focused on black and queer people in terms of their liberation, that creates positive impacts, positive opportunities, a positive life for everyone else, actually. Because often when you're focusing on kind of the least of these, if you will, or the folks who are most underserved, that usually brings benefits for Everyone. And so our mission really invites everyone who subscribes to that, who believes in that. Tommy Pavlowski: Rooted in the liberation of black and queer people. KST welcomes everyone into its community, while prioritizing the celebration of diversity and belonging. With a deep commitment to centering historically resilient groups, KST focuses its services on black women, LGBTQIA+ individuals, people of color and emerging artists. KST took inspiration from the famous author bell hooks, whose writing on love, justice and intersectionality deeply resonate with the theater's mission. This intentional mission ensures that KST is not only a space for artistic expression, but also striving for equity, connection, and making changes in the community. As we felt ourselves being welcomed by the theater. We also had the opportunity to sit down with Joseph and Melanie to discuss why welcoming the community is so important to them in the theater. Joseph Hall: As a presenting organization, a producing and presenting organization, we have a central mission, and all of our events speak to that central mission and create a through line, and create an identity to the organization, but also it helps create an identity for the neighborhood. So lots of folks when they think of East liberty, especially folks who have been here a number of years, also think of Kelly Strayhorn theater, and they think of the events, or they think of the experiences they've had here, which help contribute to a positive Identity for East liberty. [Act 3] Tommy Pavlowski: Before we wrapped up our visit, we asked Joseph and Melanie to share a performance they hope to see brought to life at KST. While Joseph was able to identify a specific performance, Melanie gave a different approach on this question. Melanie Paglia: We do and see so many different things on our stage. Several weeks ago, Method Man and Common, were on our stage for a very intimate performance. Would it be neat to have, you know, Stevie Wonder do a really private show? Of course, come on, Stevie! But it's just as powerful and, if not more, to see our local Pittsburgh artists on the stage. You know, I think having a jazz show with Anqwenique Kinsel, that would be amazing. There's so many times I get to sit in the audience and say, “Wow, I really needed that!”, or “Thank goodness for that!” And that's, yeah, the power of art, the power of that experience. And yeah, always excited to see what, what comes on our stage, whether through a KST presents or through our rental partners. Tommy Pavlowski: Melanie's answers highlighted something important. Liberation is a community effort. The liberation of black and queer people is an act rooted in efforts of all. Thank you for joining us as we uncovered one story of Kelly Strayhorn Theater. We hope you are inspired to visit this place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all podcast episodes we've produced this season. You could find a link to show notes and a transcript on our Instagram @ secret Pittsburgh. I'm Tommy, Dominique served as audio editor, and Erin wrote and researched this episode. See yinz later!
Episode 10
Show Notes
Kelly Strayhorn Theater (KST): kelly-strayhorn.org/ Yi-Fu Tuan's Memorial by the American Association of Geographers: www.aag.org/memorial/yi-fu-tuan/ East Liberty Development, Inc. – About East Liberty: www.eastliberty.org/about-east-liberty/ Spotlight on Beyond Gentrification: The Hidden Crisis Displacing Pittsburgh Residents: www.eastliberty.org/spotlight-beyon…urgh-residents/ Randall Taylor: www.worldhistory.pitt.edu/people/ant-30
Transcript
Hannah Flanagan: Welcome to Secret Pittsburgh. In the past 15 weeks, we've traveled across the city learning the stories of Pittsburgh's people and places. Join us as we explore the Kelly Strayhorn Theater. I'm Hannah. Let's go! Memory has a way of holding on to places, even as they change over time. A place isn't just a dot on a map. It's where moments happen. It's where we laugh, learn, and sometimes say goodbye. As Yi-Fu Tuan suggests, a place becomes meaningful through experience and connections, transforming from a simple space into something deeply personal and shared. During our site visit to the Kelly Strayhorn Theater in East Liberty, we discovered that this neighborhood is more than just a space. It's a place rich with memories, each one woven into the streets, buildings, and history. Inspired by this rich history, we set out to uncover more of these narratives, listening to voices from the community. One of these stories comes from Randall Taylor, an East Liberty community member who shared a potent memory from his childhood: going to local theaters, a cherished experience that stands out as one of his most powerful connections to the neighborhood. Randall Taylor: I moved to East Liberty when I was six years old. And so, I came from like the border. I didn't grow up directly, I was, like, one street up. So, I grew up on a street called Stanton Avenue, and the next block down starts East Liberty. You know, in Pittsburgh, we're very serious about where the border stops. But, I've always considered myself East Liberty. That's where all my friends were from. That's where I went to school at, and that's where I grew up at. So I had lived in Penn Plaza in the ‘90s, and of course, they were great apartments, very big. I think, like, 850 square feet. I had a nine-story—which I moved here—I lived on the 9th floor, which had a panoramic view. I'll go through my phone while we're talking and show you some of the pictures. And so, I just loved it. You know, floor-to-ceiling, windows, it's like you were floating in the air. You could just sit there and just watch everything go by. So, I very much enjoyed living there, and that's why I moved back there in 2012. And the rent was, of course, very reasonable. It was what you would call “naturally affordable” or “reoccurring affordability”. And so, everything was just okay. I mean, I was fine. I really enjoyed, I mean, I love East Liberty, but I really enjoyed living there. I mean, I really did. East Liberty was a lot of fun, but we really loved our movie theaters there. And we had two movie theaters. And when I was a kid, sometimes they would do Saturday, you know, Saturday morning matinees for the kids. And the movies were always double features. And so, people could really make a whole evening out of, you know, doing that. And so, that's what a lot of the kids used to do, used to like. And then we'd have fun during the intermission between, you know, that. But we would almost always go to the movies and see Clint Eastwood. So, that's one of my most potent ones, how much we really enjoyed the movies. And that's part of what I—I honestly wanted to be an actor. That's honestly what I wanted to do because you walk home from those pretending and thinking about it. I was serious. I went to New York. I was very serious about it. And then just came back here to earn some more money. And then somebody said they, you know, were looking for a community organizer at the Urban League. And it was the greatest job, so that’s what I did. Hannah Flanagan: Among the theaters Taylor mentioned is the Kelly Strayhorn Theater. As you walk down Penn Avenue in East Liberty, you might spot a few familiar landmarks, like Target or Whole Foods. It's easy to get caught up in the hustle of the commercial area, but if you take your time and notice your surroundings, you'll notice the Kelly Strayhorn Theater, a space filled with history and stories waiting to be discovered. The Kelly Strayhorn Theater, known as KST, serves as both a performing arts venue and a community center in East Liberty. When it first opened its doors in 1914, it was called the Regent Theater and became the first Nickelodeon theater in the country. Randall Taylor: Tt used to be called the Regent Movie Theater. Hannah Flanagan: Yes, the first Nickelodeon theater. Randall Taylor: Hmm, yes. It still has the sign, Best in Photo Plays. It’s still on the side there. Hannah Flanagan: I was really interested. That was such a cool—that was a cool field trip. Hannah Flanagan: For many, like Taylor, memories of these theaters remain vivid and personal, reflecting a shared history of community gathering spaces. As time passes, spaces evolve, taking on new forms and purposes. Similarly to KST, the East Liberty neighborhood itself has undergone significant transformations over the past few decades, reshaping its identity and the stories it holds. [Act 2] Hannah Flanagan: East Liberty is a diverse neighborhood in northeastern Pittsburgh, a place where history and memory intertwine. During our visit to the Kelly Strayhorn Theater, we learned not only about its significance as a community space, but also about how the theater and the neighborhood around it have changed over time. This sparked our curiosity to dive deeper into the stories of East Liberty's past, exploring how the community memories of spaces like KST are intertwined with the neighborhood's ongoing transformation. To deepen our understanding, we spoke with Randall Taylor, a graduate of the Pittsburgh Public Schools and University of Pittsburgh. Taylor worked for the Urban League of Pittsburgh, amongst other roles. As an East Liberty community member, Taylor was part of a mass displacement of the Penn Plaza apartments in East Liberty. As an educator and activist, Taylor advocates for the prevention of gentrification and displacement. Randall Taylor: Well, again, you know, people could see what was happening around East Liberty, and I mean, you could probably assume that that apartment building was under some kind of threat. That's one of the regrets that I have about it, is that, you know, we probably should have tried to come together a little bit more, because what I had thought—but I did, you know, but I didn't recognize it at the time, but I thought—you know, they might just probably go around and kick us all out, you know. Because they were great apartments, solidly built apartments. How many apartments do you know are soundproof? So they were actually built to be soundproof. And so, I could be—because the walls were brick, and so you could be blastin’—Unless I had a window open and next door you were not going to hear anything. That was just incredible, a place like that. And it was also built—this pillar would be a solid brick wall. So if a fire ever broke out, it would only happen in that silo. I mean, this stuff is real. This is real quality housing built for people. And so, I was on the street corner, and our councilman, who I later on went to run against him in 2019, because he was part of the people that would kick us out, and he said, “You see all this new stuff, Randall? It has a waiting list”. And I said, you know, Penn Plaza, that's coming down. And that should have really hit me, because he was part of it, he knew what was happening. Because it was such an odd craze. Why would somebody tear down such a quality apartment when you can kick us out and charge $2,000 a month? And so, what their plan was, was to kick people out one by one. So when you went downstairs after a year to go renew your lease, they were then telling people, we're not renewing your lease, you have to leave in 90 days. And so, soon people were like, you know, what's going on with this? And then it certainly hit a critical mass, and people know, something's going on here. And that was probably when we really started to realize. And then, I'm trying to remember where they finally officially told people that they were closing the building. But, I'm not recalling that. Maybe it could have been, because we got a meeting with our state representative, who's the mayor now, who didn't do very much, you know, for us in that situation. And I think it might have been him who finally came into it. I'm not really sure when it all finally hit. I know when it all hit, but I'm not really sure when it all hit us. Or maybe it just hit us when we start, you know, this neighbor's not getting renewed, this neighbor's not getting renewed, you know. Hannah Flanagan: And did they help the residents at all find new places to live? Or did they give anyone any sort of, like, help in, like, replacing them? Or were they just kind of like, yep, we're not renewing your lease. You have 90 days. Good luck. Randall Taylor: When the Penn Plaza story had hit, nobody gave us any help. Our former mayor, he claimed, but nobody gave. The most they would do is give you, like, what's that list? Craigslist or Angie, whatever, that's about it. Though they would claim on the news they were helping people get placed, but it simply was not. The Gumbergs wouldn't have done anything except, you know, we began to get a lot of attention around, you know, this story. And it was odd because, as somebody said before, that wasn't the first mass displacement. We had had in East Liberty, like, three 23-story—Remember I told you when a lot of people got displaced from the Hill District? They began to build stuff in East Liberty. So East Liberty had three 23-story high-rises. And those got torn down about 10 years later. So, again, mass displacement happened before. So that's what people say, “Well, they did it before”. They didn't think there'd be any backlash. But things are beginning to happen. And so it just was the right time. So we began, we had a massive meeting, which you can see on YouTube, where they had the county executive and mayor and whatever and stuff. And so—but as far as anybody helping us... in 2016, where it all came down and we got in negotiations. And that was all just public pressure. We're in pressure on the mayor as well, where he forced the Gumbergs to come into negotiation with us about, you know, about what was happening. But the Gumbergs, anything they ever gave, they were forced to give it. Hannah Flanagan: How would you describe the community of, like, the East Liberty area now? Randall Taylor: Okay, remember there are two different things. And, you know, East Liberty is a different, a completely different entity from Shadyside and Highland Park. So if you're asking me how East Liberty has changed? Hannah Flanagan: Yeah. Randall Taylor: East Liberty was always a place of renters. It just really was. And even, remember, there's that line called Stanton Avenue. If you Google that and see, this side is like Highland Park, technically is where I lived at. The other side is East Liberty. The ones on Highland Park would be probably—way majority homeowners. Anything south of that was rental. And that had been away a long time. And so if you ride through parts of East Liberty, you'll see these big houses now that are single. Those used to be cut into three. So I went to school with very few kids who lived in a home. They were all rental. And that's what East Liberty really was. And then a conscious decision was made. Because what makes East Liberty so valuable is, one, it was created to be a place of commerce. That's why it's on Penn Avenue. As I tell everybody, you can get on Penn Avenue and you can ride all the way to Philadelphia and stuff. So it always was where people came even 200 years ago. There were train stops there. So, you know, 100 years ago, they actually had train, you know. And so it was built with the people who manufactured it. It was built to be a place of commerce. And so what people do when they see East Liberty now, they say, “Look at all this money in Highland Park. Look at all this money”. And people can just... So East Liberty is like... It's a golden goose. I mean, it's a moneymaker. You know, to do that. And so that's why the people who lived there were able to work in a lot of... That's when they really did work in East Liberty. But a conscious decision was made to—because it is an appealing place—to turn those single family—Or turn those houses that were cut into apartments into single family dwellings that they could sell for 200, 300. So that's the major change of East Liberty is the destruction of so much rental property. And you can ride through some of those streets now and see... yeah, those are some big houses. And that's apartments. So that is the biggest change that has come to East Liberty is the displacement of renters in favor of homeowners. So as far as East Liberty, I'm not happy with where it's at right now. Um, I just don't like where it's at right now. And, you know, what's continuing to happen. But what I'm hoping happens to East Liberty... Because I was in a dispute with some of these homeowners about... This guy wants to build 230 apartment units. And he's promising to make 25% of them affordable. And so there's people that I have where I live as seniors particularly that need that housing. Because where we live at, it's newer, it's cheap, but it doesn't have any elevators. Because that's the way these for-profit developers do. [Act 3] Hannah Flanagan: As we listen to Taylor reflect on East Liberty's transformations, we were reminded of the journey that KST went through throughout the years. What was once a movie theater is now a performing arts center focused on bringing people together. Today, KST is more than just a place for performances. It's a welcoming space that hosts events and programs to connect the community. In a neighborhood that has seen so much change, KST plays an important role in preserving the identity of East Liberty. While gentrification divided parts of East Liberty, the theater works to bring people back together. But despite its work and contributions, KST faces challenges. Its rental agreement ends in 2029, and its future is uncertain. Keeping KST alive will take the support from everyone who values it as a safe and creative space for the community. Thank you for joining us as we uncover one story of Kelley Strayhorn Theater. We hope you are inspired to visit the place and to find your own Pittsburgh stories. Please tune in to all the episodes we've produced this season. You can find a link to show notes and a transcript on our Instagram @secretpittsburgh. I'm Hannah, Dominique served as audio editor, and Erin wrote and researched the script. See yinz later!